TS: Lone Justice or Cruzados or Drivin' & Cryin' or Green On Red or Del Fuegos or Jason & The Scorchers or Long Ryders or Bodeans?

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ha ha. just went to that german site and the first thing i saw at the top of the page was a 1984 quote from tom stevens of the long ryders: "it's nice for an audience to hear real drums, real vocals and real instruments, rather than the pre-fab stuff making the rounds today." i love how NOTHING ... EVER ... CHANGES. so who said this exact same thing in 1964, 'cause obviously someone did. who said it in 1944?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

When I accused him of doing a by-numbers loser schtick on one song, he kicked things around the room and fumed, "I wrote that song in a church, man. I was so strung out on dope you wouldn't believe".

Nevermind the asshole comments, this is pretty fucken lame as well.

Jason and the Scorchers rule

It's funny it actually took me a long time to figure this out because I was in high school in Nashville during their heyday, and they were all over the college radio station I listened to and played at local clubs constantly.

Anybody here ever hear Web Wilder? Cause he's definitely in this group though he didn't even achieve the bit of recognition the bands in the title of this thread got.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Tex and the Horseheads!!!! Actually, I was a fan of the VERY first Jason and the Scorchers EP (the 7-inch with "Broken Whiskey Glass"), then sligthly less of a fan of their second EP on Praxis which was reissued on a major with a Dylan cover a year later. Liked the first Rank and File album at the time too (and the first Long Ryders album very very briefly). I thought the Bodeans (who had lots of fans at Creem in the mid '80s) were horrible, though. Didn't have any use for Loan Justice or the Del Fuegos. Learned to like Drivin' & Cryin' several years later (when they actually existed, right? They came way too late to be a cowpunk band, I think, but maybe somebody already said that.) (And did anybody mention the Danny and Dusty album yet? Wasn't that a Long Ryders guy and a Green on Red guy but better than anything either of them had done previously? Or something like that.)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, um, what about the Blasters???? Heads and tails above all the above, pretty obviously, though even they only made 2 or at tops 3 really good albums. Not to mention Los Lobos, whose first EP and first album (How Will the Will Survive) after they decided to reach for an Anglo new wave crowd I liked before I decided they were corny as all fuck. (I still don't think I've ever heard their pre-debut-EP all-Spanish stuff.)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, someone mentioned the danny & dusty one. my brother used to play that one a lot. it WAS pretty good.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(oops, hadn't noticed that the blasters and lobos had already been brought up. i also loved the first 3 meat puppets albums and their *in a car* 7-inch at the time as well, though the first album -- or EP or whatever =- and the 7-inch obviously don't apply here. i have a rhythm pigs album at home that's i've always liked too; i doubt they apply here at all, but i notice somebody mentioned them above too. they always seemed more in the buttholes/minutemen genus to my ears, though maybe with some crosby stills and nash thrown in)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

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the danny and dusty album -- which included the dream syndicate's steve wynn along with the green on red and long ryders guys -- was great. it was loose and it was fun, unlike most of the records all of their own bands made. (and i must now go and report it to the "athletes namechecked in songs" thread, since it had a totally gratuitous mention of ryne sandberg.)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

weren't the gun club and the flesheaters considered part of the "death rock" movement in L.A.? Maybe Tex & The Horseheads too. I used to think that was kinda weird, but maybe its not that weird. i usually don't think of them alongside christian death and 45 grave, but it was probably more of an L.A. club thing anyway. Kinda like how the new wave shockabilly groups from the u.k. were kinda lumped in with goth in england. Gothabilly! (i know, i know, the cramps.)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i also loved country bob and the blood farmers, who were a lot more straight-up country and a lot more rude than all of these bands, and who to this day i know absolutely nothing about. the only evidence i have of their existence is their one (i think it was their only one) album.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

and then after all the green on red stuff came the flat duo jets/mojo nixon kinda things with duos and trios playing washboards. they were going back to the land after the miller-lite excesses of the long ryders. all of which leads to the white stripes.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

there was a time when all they would show on 120 minutes on mtv were flat duo jets and mission u.k. videos. they were gothabilly all the way.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

and speaking of danny and dusty, there was also the after-the-fact supergroup gutterball, who featured dream syndicate's steve wynn along with a long ryder, a silo and a couple house of freaks. they made one good album, then went on tour as a kind of no depression version of ringo starr's all-starr band, then if i'm not mistaken started making not-so-good albums.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

blood farmers -vs- beat farmers


i used to own a treat her right album that wasn't horrible. but they came a little later then the rest of these guys. (i think.)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

treat her right didn't have much country in 'em, though, did they? did they have any?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Green on Red actually WERE cowpoke converts, for what it's worth. I have an early EP and it's pretty much paisley underground, though it does have a folk-rock basis, so, with that, you're already close to country territory.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"The thousands of people who bought REM albums in the 80s -- and probably most of the millions who did in the early 90s -- weren't viewing him as a sex symbol."

I think they had a lot of female fans who thought they were hott in the '80s, actually.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i think that first treat her right album had some country in it, but yeah, i guess they were more bloozy or whatever.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, when stipe was a long-haired mumblepuss he was definitely the brainy girlz & boyz sex-symbol at the time.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

>totally gratuitous mention of ryne sandberg

Heheh, I totally recall that on the D&D album.

Ditto above... A sizable minority of REM's early (female and gay male) fans most definitely considered Stipe a sex symbol in the arty downcast boy-poet vein. (I saw em in '83 at Queens College)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to guess this thread is not a coincidence and resist the urge to hype.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Leave us not forget Neko Case and Kelly Hogan and most other folks on Bloodshot, incl. several thangs involving John Langford. Altough some Mekons albums are pretty dire, their cowpunk or proto-altcountry or whatever it was is pretty cool. Check ORIGINAL SIN and recent reissues of you haven't done so already. Skot! Just got the Nuns tape, thanks!Some pretty rowdy stuff on the live Dixie Chicks album and Steve Earle's JUST AN AMERICAN BOY.

don, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Maria hasn't flamed out since her first glam album. Just took a while to count her Dixie Chicks money, and then there was some more after their live one came out in '03( and as well as covering "Am I The Only One Who Ever Felt This Way?" and another 'un too, I think, Natalie's audition for the foresister Chicks was Maria's "Panic Beach," a breakthrough for Maria too, creatively). Her second glam album, also in 2003, was HIGH DIVE, and then LIVE IN HAMBURG, and she;s contributed rootsier stuff to several comps in recent years. Supposedly her next will be more like her earlier solos and LJ. ULTIMATE COLLECTION modulated some of the Big Hair 80s blare of the originals, and she and LJ have both had colections since, so hopefuly the sound continues to ease down the EQ. Gun Club and the vesrion of the Flesh Eaters that incl. Blasters, etc. were notable for roots elements sticking out where pre-punk blues (yknow *hippies*! A fookin blooody mess!) got cut down. And the revelatory-appropriate rootsiness of the VU's LIVE IN TEXAS 1969 is a real good precedent.

don, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
i forgot about fly me courageous by drivin' & cryin'. i like that one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_wRJVTVx3Bc


ten bucks sez i start buying old del fuegos and long ryders albums when i see them cheap at the store from now on. it had to happen.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i used to really like the song baby ran by canuck band 54-40, but it's not really roots rock, what is it?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mbquA796WJQ


i used to associate it with that stuff for some reason. i guess it's just college rock.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe a country dude hasn't covered jason's white lies. or maybe they have.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=7itLeZg85Ac

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i still want a flat duo jets album. i always enjoyed their videos.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=XysaT44Ez5U


anyone hear about that documentary on dexter that the people who did the athens movie are putting out? i guess it's kinda sad or something.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

this southern culture on the skids video is really good too:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=82iQofVyRY8&mode=related&search=

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

catching up on this here revival. funny but I just listened to those 2 jason ringenberg "farmer jason" albums. they're not bad, really, and there is a decent bo diddley song and one about marsupials, and another one about how butterflies aren't butter and why you should eat yogurt instead of butter, so he gets a lot in, and my favorite moment is when he plays a harmonica solo that sounds pretty harmolodic and the producer says, hey farmer jason, you got the wrong key harmonica there, and they leave it on the tape. so a music lesson too. he lives out on a few acres west of nashville in dickson county, and i think his family still has a big hog farm operation in n. illinois, where he came from. perry baggs of the old scorchers has been working in a clerical role at the local nashville daily paper, for years.

of all those people in that list, I basically say none of them--lone justice always seemed sort of ok, and the rest all have a few good songs. but "long ryders" is a lame-ass name, plus isn't that sid griffin? interesting time for gram parsons worship back then, in its early stages. the very very first jason and (the nashville) scorchers records were all right, just as i probably can only listen to the very first, still somewhat evocative mysterioso lo-fi r.e.m ep. to me they were kind of unfocussed, thrashing, half-way good mix of, wow, "radical" idea!, "punk" and "country." a good time for gram parsons worship. i just never thought they were really all that good. if the new york dolls (saw this depressing doc last night about arthur kane's last daze) made the world safe for the new york dolls, the scorchers opened the door to stuff like br-549 15 years later.

as somebody, probably chuck, said above, the blasters were a lot better, and ditto the mekons on their best stuff. los lobos. old 97's did the jangle and the distance just fine on one or two albums. the gun club, as skott says above, i also liked ok, they were more like from the swamp and a lot of the people in the TS are drugstore cowboys--a good era for gram parsons and byrds worship, i love them myself, but these days i think maybe critics might be giving more props to gene clark, jackie deshannon, even lee hazlewood, and dillard and clark and for god's sake, when you're talking about country-rock/rock don't forget skip spence, as originators of post-byrds/parsons/punk/roots/americana thing that people used to think maybe was all gram? so that's an interesting list of bands to start the thread.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(if the new york dolls made the world safe for motley crüe,) (altho they did make the world safe for themselves; the london footage from that ny dolls doc w/ kane was, uh...)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Great song (and there's always at least one of those on every record Maria McKee's been involved with)

but the video... ay, caramba...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eb_znrTEGpQ

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I always thought the song "Cowboys from Hollywood" on the 2nd Camper Van Beethoven LP was a mockery of the Long Ryders and the genre in general.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

you said the same thing upthread.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

MM is rockin' the PANTSWITHSKIRT look way back in the day.

unreal.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

lame solo man, lame.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

But so high up the neck!!!

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Anybody remember the Silos?

Mark, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Silos' Cuba is fantastic. I still own three copies and would probably buy another copy if I happened upon it. Supposedly there's a mix of the s/t album that's very different. Wish Rupe had hung around...

john. a resident of chicago., Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

rupe went on to play with gutterball, who i seem to have mentioned on this thread five years ago and who i don't think anyone else cares about.

i liked cuba a lot, though i haven't listened in years. also good: walter salas-humara's first solo album, lagartija, and quite a bit of stuff by the vulgar boatmen. the silos got decidedly spotty post-cuba. last i checked, they still very much existed.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Still play s/t and Cuba from time to time. They were great live back in the day. IIRC they did some rain sounds over the intro to Tennessee Fire that was all kinds of great.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Has anyone mentioned Danny and Dusty -- a one-off bar band with Steve Wynn, Dan Stuart, Chris Cacavas and bunch of fellow travelers? Their record, Lost Weekend, is a hoot.

Chuck Prophet's first couple of solo records are also worth considering -- his duets with Stephanie Finch have a nice Gram-Emmylou vibe.

Chonus, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

The Silos Cuba is indeed great. But their best song came later, on the Susan Across The Ocean album. It's a cover of a song called Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around. If you haven't heard it, you're in for a treat.

http://www.amazon.com/Susan-Across-Ocean-Silos/dp/B000000FDI

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link

cover of a song called Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around

by michael hall of the wild seeds, who almost certainly fit on this thread themselves.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

His version is more ironic. The Silos turn it into an anthem

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I was among the ~75 people who saw The Silos, Vulgar Boatmen and Michael Hall do that song at Metro in...'96? One of the better moments of my concert going. Great show!

The Vulgar Boatmen still put on a great show. There's a documentary on them about to come out, I believe.

john. a resident of chicago., Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes, it's called Drive Somewhere. It can be downloaded here.

I can't say enough good things about The Vulgar Boatmen. I never had the pleasure of seeing them live, but they are one of the few bands that does not have a bad song.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

This is easily Jason & The Scorchers for me. Their new album has at least 4 cuts that'd go on their career anthology.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link

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Living in Chicago, I've been fortunate enough to have seen the Vulgar Boatmen, geez, at least 15 times. Another standout was at Beat Kitchen in ~1992 when I first saw them do "Roadrunner". The place was going nuts! One of my favorite shows.

First time I saw them was at Marquette University, around the time of "You and Your Sister". The bill was, Vulgar Boatmen, Blake Babies and Die Kreuzen (?!). I've still got the flyer for that show somewhere...

john. a resident of chicago., Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice! Was Robert Ray playing with them too?

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link

And...yes, the new Jason & The Scorchers record is excellent. I love Better Than This.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

man Drivin & Cryin used to Rock the Dock in Jackson, MS on the reg. Blind Melon was really big, too IIRC (but maybe a year or two later? I think this might have even been before Bee girl fame). I think those might have been my first rock shows that weren't like 3-Dog Night and Steppenwolf doing the oldies circuit at the Mid-South fair with my parents a mere 200 yards away.

hypnosis is the reason some Jewish people backed him → (will), Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link


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