The Michael Mann poll

i like heat but ffs it's the insider by like a country mile, ppl. michael mann is kind of bad.

yeah i voted for the insider. I liked Heat and parts of Collateral tho.

If you want to appreciate Michael Mann, for the first time or once again, go see The Kingdom when it opens this fall. This could have been a fantastic movie if he'd made it (he produced it), but instead the characters/plot/visuals aren't as sharp, and it really goes off the rails in the last third. But the premise -- total MM territory.

smooth -- that's how we do it.

if i want to appreciate michael mann, i'm going to put on the insider, not go watch a middle movie!

middlING, sorry

Heh! Well, go see another movie at the multiplex in September and sneak into The Kingdom for a bit and see what I'm saying.

now THAT i am ok with

'ali' and 'the insider' are maybe his worst films. i haven't seen 'the keep'.

'crime story' is not the best 'by far', you smokin'. anyway mann directed like one episode. ditto 'miami vice'.

I own new-Miami Vice on dvd! Not the 'director's cut' though, since I heard it sucked so I bought the other one

-- mh, Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:47 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Link

apart from more herc-from-the-wire at the start, there's no big difference.

What makes The Insider one of his worst? I'm curious.

Keep is my favorite. Not cuz it's great - it isn't - just cuz it's got monsters in it. Mysterious and creepy, too, with entertaining 80s Tangerine Dream score. I'll always take creepy w/ monsters over men w/ guns.

"seriously you lack a few braincells when you discard every Mann film"

Haha I didn't discard them! I've seen them all (except the Keep) and I even gave little reviews above. They just mostly suck.

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In an attempt of resocialisation, five hopeless juvenile criminals are sent away from prison into the Everglades for a survival training under the Indian Joe. When this is successful, they move back to Miami. However this offends the former illegal inhabitants of their house, all loyal customers of drug baron Cream. The conflict leads to armed fights.

The first 10 minutes of Ali are as great as anything he's done. He's (obviously) a director of sequences -- Collateral and Heat didn't end in a satisfying way for me (and Miami Vice too, to some extent), but all the little perfect 10-minute films along the way make these movies some of my favorites.

So I could see how Ali wwork in bits and pieces.

So basically he should make more videos.

I can't what to see what middle-aged hunk actor he puts in a gray wig next. ACTING!

lol u has only seen one michael mann movie, huh?

the trailer for miami vice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miami vice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other bit of film released last year

Well, a video, though, is built around a song, and he's putting the other elements on the same high-volume level as the soundtrack. So, ideally, his best sequences are like a music video, a fashion spread, a Gerhardt Richter painting, a Jim Thompson novel, and a Raymond Carver short story all rolled into one.

no schef, I'm talking about Big Russ & Little Tom (using oth ppl's def of hunk).

ja i take it back, i forgot the cruiser had silver hair for no reason in collateral! probably because i completely forgot everything about collateral.

also ppl propping miami vice: u mad?

You-all have probably read already about the troubles on the Miami Vice shoot. It makes sense that the story was supposed to end back in the Triple Frontier.

That sequence in the mall in Paraguay is a perfect example of something I had to watch three or four times to take it all in: between the documentary aspect of shooting in Ciudad del Este, the colors and architecture of that indoor shopping mall, the ethnicities of the characters (who are central to the scene but who we don't know yet - of Chinese descent, South Americans, etc.), the actual action taking place (handing the information on Crockett and Tubbs to the bike courier), and the actions the guys at the table take to hide what they're doing. That's a lot of information to take in in 45 seconds.

I like the insider but my least favorite parts are those really random bits of slo-mo that I have nobody but Mann to blame for.

Eazy is right about the first bit of 'ali', i had forgotten.

What makes The Insider one of his worst? I'm curious.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:19 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it's not bad at being dull & worthy, it has more panache than, say, 'erin brockovich', but it doesn't have the main things you want from mann -- which 'miami vice' has in spades.

cranked up moments of melodrama and visual excess and minimalist dialogue, is what i mean.

and again what eazy said -- i was more hooked by the real-world shit in 'miami vice' than the 'oh wow did u know big tobacco r evil?' stuff in 'the insider'.

it's not bad at being dull & worthy, it has more panache than, say, 'erin brockovich', but it doesn't have the main things you want from mann -- which 'miami vice' has in spades.

cranked up moments of melodrama and visual excess and minimalist dialogue, is what i mean.

ok, say again: u mad?

ranked up moments of melodrama and visual excess and minimalist dialogue, is what i mean.

The Insider (and Erin Brockovich) don't have these?

i still think farrell was doing a george w. bush impression in miami vice

the insider is scene after scene of melodrama and someone JUST complained that the visual excess is what they DON'T like about the movie. this thread is insane.

guys, michael mann is tony scott with pretentiousness. i'm not sure why he's treated so seriously while other action directors are regarded so lowly on ilx, but seriously miami vice was a piece of shit.

There's taking sides and then there's which way is up.

the melodrama in 'the insider' wasn't life-or-death enough. but i can't talk rationally about mann.

the insider was way more entertaining than miami vice! it was fun to watch, miami vice was just like >:| and also jamie foxx's chinpubes were pissing me off.

apart from more herc-from-the-wire at the start, there's no big difference.

The scene where Tubbs's wife receives a big bouquet of flowers right after he meets with the folks in Haiti is one that I think was missing from the original run.

guys, michael mann is tony scott with pretentiousness.

lol i can't really argue with this but then again tony scott is kind of awesome to me too

i'm surprised mohicans isnt getting more love! it is goofy as hell but so are most of these, and also it has MAGUA. and a dude who says "KAN-TUCK-EE." and they fight with big hockey stick thingies.

Mohicans would be second on my list!

mohicans is what i voted for.

man now i need to buy the studio cut of 'miami vice'. the first hour of that film, right up to farrell and gong li going to cuba, is my favourite film ever at the moment.

You guys are all cocks, Ally included, for having and trying to impress your reactionary and stodgy aesthetics -- like the ending of a film matters??? -- personally upon me as the lot of you are deleted from ILX and replaced by 1000 cankles (who is OTM) clones.

Smoke a cigarette, dude.

Smoke a cock, bro. ^_^

Light my fag end.

:D

ps ally comparing michael mann to tony scott is o_O

have you seen Domino? incomprehensible bullshit
man on fire? crazy looking, jumpy bullshit with WORdS ON THE SCREEN wtf

Man on Fire was terrible.

But the Denzel time bending bullshit one was p sweet.

Walken's quote from Man On Fire, something like " death is his art, and he's about to paint his masterpiece"

So very o_O

tony scott:michael mann::buffy fanfic:h.p. lovecraft

tony scott:michael mann::talking to a 3 year old:talking to a 16 year old

tony scott:michael mann::banana:plantain

tony scott:michael mann::FUCK YOU

Mohicans is awesome, even with that poorly handled scene where the French officer talks to Magua

F.O.: Sup Magua
MAGUA: Magua hates the White Hair because blah blah blah blah blah
F.O.: Dude, I was just askin' wussup. le chill.

Fantastic ending though. DDL kickin' ass with muskets, chick kills herself, Wes Studi in general.

Also, "I face north and turn left real quick like"

Don't get the Tony Scott thing though. Mann apes Le Samourai and we get the fantastic Collateral. What would happen if Scott were to do so?