― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
The Soviet Union also provided training for certain terrorist groups on its homeland, as well as spearheaded training in the territory of its Warsaw Pact allies. The Soviets sponsored terrorism as part of an overall strategy designed to destabilize Western Europe/NATO by supporting international and Western revolutionary movements whose insurrectional activities would have helped expand the communist block and further Soviet aims. In fact, a former senior officer of Soviet Military Intelligence stated that "ideological sympathy with the Soviet Union is unnecessary: anyone who helps destabilize the west is our friend."
"A typical member of the Palestine Liberation Army (PLO) selected for training behind the Iron Curtain received an orientation brief on expected conduct while undergoing instruction, as well as ideological orientation prior to departing for Moscow. Upon arrival he was greeted by the PLO representative there and arrangements were made for further travel to the individual's ultimate training destination."
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
"Pipes, perhaps the world's leading expert on Kremlin ideology, is left looking an amiable dunce. British viewers, unaware of his distinguished career, will be none the wiser". Oh, please, what misleading and condescending rubbish. I like that the article paints Britain as a nation of uninformed roobs, being propagandized by Moore and Chomsky.
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
First of all, the question of ideas. That is, is there anything at all, we talked about this a little off the record, is there anything at all to the Straussian Connection ?
Wolfowitz : It's a product of fevered minds who seem incapable of understanding that September 11th changed a lot of things and changed the way we need to approach the world. Since they refused to confront that, they looked for some kind of conspiracy theory to explain it. I mean I took two terrific courses from Leo Strauss as a graduate student. One was on Montesquieu's spirit of the laws, which did help me understand our Constitution better. And one was on Plato's laws. The idea that this has anything to do with U.S. foreign policy is just laughable.
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Listening to the snippets on the Amazon page for 'Another Green World', it sounds more like 'Big Ship' to me.
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Tuesday 23.20 BBC2
Wednesday 23.20 BBC2
Thursday 23.20 BBC2
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Q&A from the series producer Adam Curtis here - note: Will the programme be shown internationally, in America or online?
We are very keen that the programmes are made widely available including in America and although the main networks have shown little interest
-- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.
Answersno DVD release planned because of the range of footage required to clear. a great shame as it seems that this is something everyone should see. -- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.
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the musical choices are really good, he (and his team) just knows his shit. i have no idea how they pull that kind of thing together -- how much footage has to be gone through to find the 'right' bit -- if you think about how many diift news orgs cover the same stuff. it's the avalanches of facumentary! -- Miles Finch (poptha...), January 20th, 2005.
i need the torrents, and bad -- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.
Here y'go:The Power Of Nightmares/Adam Curtis
-- Richard C (avoid8...), January 20th, 2005. (tracklink)
I've been taping it.playing brian eno throughout - classik!
It overlaps a bit with his other series on freud. that theme of society and its control reappears.
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the bit I couldn't figue out was in the first part where that neocon wz trying to distort the threat of the soviets: "if there is no evidence for weapons doesn't mean it isn't there" like it was really logical, sensible thing to say. The conviction he had in that. It wasn't like he wz trying to concoiusly create a myth to fool the people so much just that he wz really paranoid but i need to watch it again.
-- Julio Desouza (juli...), January 20th, 2005.
why that didn't show up in searching i don't know -- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.
― Miles Finch, Thursday, 20 January 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Miles Finch, Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― the bluefox, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Cocktolstoy, Thursday, 20 January 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Miles Finch, Friday, 21 January 2005 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Is Century of the Self available anywhere? I only saw the first ep.
― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ark Hopping (avoid80), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ark Hopping (avoid80), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Adam Curtis on Cannes and "Last Days
― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link
I still feel that Curtis didn't spend enough time talking about who benefits from these official nightmares, and how.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 17 June 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Music
* Title theme: "The Big Ship" on Another Green World by Brian Eno * Incidental: "Becalmed" and "In Dark Trees" on Another Green World by Brian Eno * Incidental: Soundtrack from "Citizen Kane", film score by Bernard Herrmann, 1941. * Incidental: Soundtrack from "The Ipcress File", by John Barry * Incidental: Soundtrack from "Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion", by Ennio Morricone * Part 1 credits: "Baby, It's Cold Outside" by Margaret Whiting and Johnny Mercer * Part 2 opening: "Also Sprach Zarathustra" * "I've Got Spurs That Jingle Jangle Jingle" (possibly by Singer-Gene Autry; Music-Joseph Lilley;Lyrics-Ranke Loesser, c1942) * Afghan war: "Colours" by Donovan * Part 3 credits: "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" by B.J. Thomas
― I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Thursday, 7 July 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Living in no TV land, I have never seen it.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:23 (eighteen years ago) link
i haveta say, the 'AQ doesn't exist' line looks a bit thin now. i was never sure why leo strauss was such a big figure in the show. is he more important than, i dunno, hayek or milton friedman?
― N_RQ, Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link
or
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050620&s=bergen
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link
It still amazed me about Kissinger, how rational and beacon-like he was presented as being, but then I don't know that much about him and so the 'convenience' of this series results in one wanting it to consist of twelve hour-long parts or something.
Neocon motto: "Occam's Razor is booooolsheeeet, plus Occam sounds suspiciously Arabic"
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:52 (eighteen years ago) link
"In fact, the Islamist terrorist threat to the United States today largely emanates from Europe, not from domestic sleeper cells or, as is popularly imagined, the graduates of Middle Eastern madrasas, functional idiots who can do little more than read the Koran. Reid is British, Al Qaeda member Zacarias Moussaoui is French and the 9/11 pilots became militant in Hamburg. The attacks in Madrid last year that killed 191, and the assassination of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, demonstrate that men animated by Al Qaeda's worldview have recently conducted significant acts of terrorism in Europe, a trend that is likely to accelerate as continued heavy Muslim immigration into Europe collides with widespread racism to create a population of alienated Muslims who often feel that no matter how much money they make, or how long their families have been in the country, as Pakistanis in London they are never quite British, or as Algerians in Paris they are not quite French, or as Moroccans in Madrid they can never be really Spanish. These are not powerful nightmares; they are a reality, a view that Curtis may finally come around to when a significant terrorist attack is carried out in London, which British authorities regard as inevitable."
― N_RQ, Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link
maybe but with so much to condense into under 3 hours there's only so much you can mention, and considering how contrived Qubt's and Strauss's ideas were or rather how badly they were put into practice...
I should hold off until I see the final episode though clearly.
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Why does this thesis now look thinner than it did before? Because bombings have happened on British soil?
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link