David Fincher -- c/d?

Zodiac pushes him into classic status (prob one of my favorite movies of the decade) and Fight Club is tremendous too...other than that I actively dislike the rest of these movies!

I see there's a new trade pb of essays on FC ... one dealing with the gay subtext (sic) called "The Club That Dare Not Speak Its Name."

http://www.amazon.com/You-Talk-About-Fight-Club/dp/1933771526

i still haven't seen zodiac; fight club is some bullshit. i like the madonna video for express yourself.

i had this

Zodiac puts Fight Club to shame

(which is not hard, since FC is so goddamn silly)

we know your views on this, I think

that should make it harder, it's easier to shame something serious

I really can't think of 5 film comedies better than Fight Club in the last 10 years.

crazy talk

Apatow's two movies are both funnier lolz

FC>Zodiac>Seven>Alien3>The Game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panic Room

funnier does not = better tho

the game is great

I am always confused by the Fight Club backlash

too many people think its great

so contrarianism then. thats kind of what i thought.

its nihilism is boring and self-congratulatory and the basic premise is a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit

the basic premise is a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit

O RLY???

this is going to get into a source material problem again i think. not that i agree w/your summary, but you can hardly blame fincher for that. xpost

hey he made the movie

similar to what i said about tdk & all adaptations: who gives a shit about the source, & why is that in any way relevant to the discussione??

its basic premise IS a bunch of nonsensical macho fantasy bullshit, like, literally - i dont get how thats a valid criticism

Shakes, have you read the Palahniuk? It's more a tap-in to depressive/sadomasochistic issues than "macho bullshit."

who gives a shit about the source, & why is that in any way relevant to the discussion

Because, except for a little wobbling before the climax, it's a fairly faithful adaptation (tho a tad more romantic-comedy) and reading it might help people who are seeing things in the film that ain't there.

FC being about nihilism doesn't make it nihilist.

guy seems like a terrible writer from the flip-through I gave it. granted that was years ago.

most of his other books are much worse

FC>Zodiac>Seven>Alien3>The Game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panic Room

almost otm though i would switch zodiac and fight club and put a lot more distance between the game and alien 3

i disliked the movie for its 90s-style ahistoricism. ends on a 'revolutionary' note w/o even a hint of real politics leading up to, beyond contempt for ikea and fat women. seemed to reconfirm every stereotype that men of my generation are clueless. bolsheviks, who are they duuuude

how is a conclusion wherein the protagonist kisses his g/f with half his head blown off while buildings explode all around him NOT nihilistic?

(ftr the split-second porn insert is a much-needed bit of levity and I appreciated it)

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ends on a 'revolutionary' note w/o even a hint of real politics leading up to, beyond contempt for ikea and fat women. seemed to reconfirm every stereotype that men of my generation are clueless. bolsheviks, who are they duuuude

yeah this really REALLY bothered me too. movie reduces insurrectionary politics to "lets blow stuff up hurhrurhur - oh wait I R SAD"

the problem is that shakey isnt seeing anything that isnt there hes just being a stubborn dick about it

wtf goole??? xps

One of my best friend's thesis is on Chuck P. He didn't listen to me.

i think you guys are confusing the characters being psycho dicks with the movie endorsing their viewpoint.

shakey & goole = stalin + tolstoy

explain to me how the movie is critical of their viewpoint

or else its OFF TO THE GULAG

oh no, omar otm?

spending time with people who love fight club did more than anything else to make me never want to think about it again

the cult's Iron Johnish myth is just one more sales pitch, the narrator comes to realize

fight club FAILED as a movie because it did not start THE REVOLUTION

xp 2 max who doesnt love fight club other than wannabe commie insurrectionists

i'd say the main plot is a bit of a traditional rom-com...hero learns to grow up and accept love (yawn, right). in fact id even suggest that a certain reading of the movie would say that it's MARLA who really saves the narrator and that Tyler was the last gasp, the nihilistic burst of freedom, needed to set that process of maturation in motion.

as Aldous Huxley said, fascism responds to real human needs, we just need to be grown up enough to resist them, to an extent.

morbius i am consistently otm everywhere i go

'the movie doesn't endorse their viewpoint' is the oldest apologist trick in the book -- viz a viz kubrick fans claiming for thirty years that a clockwork orange doesn't endorse alex despite the fact that he's glamorous and cool and charismatic and everyone else in the movie is portrayed as ugly and square.

"Tyler, I appreciate everything you've done for me, but this is too much." it's right in the dialogue, brahs.

the cult's Iron Johnish myth is just one more sales pitch, the narrator comes to realize

ummm really. is that why he shoots himself in the face.

that said i kinda like fight club, but dirty harry prob dealt with the same issues a lot more coherently.

i have no idea what the book is like, for the record

the movie wanted to have its outlaw character win, so revolution it is, bombs away. but it had the typical hollywood allergy to real politics, so the motivation gets chalked up to male depression and office drone uselessness, not any kind of program. that's just nuts, it's like, you do realize that people have blown up the state and taken over, in the 20th century, a couple times?

if it's not endorsing their view it's at least holding them up as a potentiality to fear, which is pretty congratulatory, in a way -- falling down redux?

deeznuts stfu and learn to read

many xps

I mean come on escaping a destructive cult by an act of self-mutilation, how is that not completely nihilistic

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in fact, i'd say it's pretty touching that the movie suggests that, you know, real human love and connection (the image of them holding hands as the world collapses all around them) is the only salvation in the materialist hell portrayed at the beginning of the film.

frankly a better revolutionary ending would have calm and fair minded public employees figure out what was going on, capture him and lock him up.

^^^^lolz