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in general I think that most ILX folx don't feel any kind of animus towards gay marriage. if any do they're probably staying away to avoid making you feel bad or making themselves look like assholes. but way the former and not so much the latter.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

That's not a loon, that's the Queen. The correct term for her is an over-priviliged inbred idiot.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

I think you mean over-priviligedus inbredixum idiotus, please, scientific terms.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps that is how it is said in your barbarous and strange northern land.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

well, our official motto can be sung to the tune of the Monkees' (or Run DMC's) "Mary, Mary"

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

but most of all (to keep this thread slightly on topic), Canada LOVES gay marriage. Really. Except for the morons who don't.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

we invented that shit¡
surely if bush gets reelected we're getting bombed.
er, liberated i mean.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

Blame Canada!

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Well, they just got to celebrate their first anniversary before Oregon decided to nullify their marriage.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7502399/

Oregon justices nullify 3,000 gay marriages
Governor wants expanded rights, lawmakers to weigh next
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:48 a.m. ET April 14, 2005

SALEM, Ore. - The Oregon Supreme Court on Thursday nullified nearly 3,000 marriage licenses issued to same-sex couples by Multnomah County a year ago.

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The court said while the county can question the constitutionality of laws governing marriage, they are a matter of statewide concern so the county had no authority to issue licenses to gay couples.

Members of the state Legislature had been awaiting the ruling to give them guidance on how to proceed on the issue of same-sex couples. Last November, Oregon voters approved a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Vermont is the first and still the only state to offer civil unions to gays, passing a law in 2000. Massachusetts has allowed gay marriage since May.

Governor's stand
On Wednesday, Democratic Gov. Ted Kulongoski said he will push for a law allowing gay couples in Oregon to form civil unions that would give them many of the rights available to married couples.

Kulongoski’s backing of a civil unions law expands on his announcement in January that he would support legislation extending anti-discrimination protections to gays.

“As I stated in January, we face a great moral challenge to make sure opportunity is an open door through which every citizen can pass — not a revolving door which turns for some and doesn’t budge for others,” he said.

Those against, in favor
Tim Nashif, head of the Oregon Family Council and the Defense of Marriage Coalition, said a civil unions law would be “pretty hard to swallow” in view of voters’ approval of a gay marriage ban, Nashif said.

The state’s leading gay rights group, Basic Rights Oregon, praised the governor’s decision to move ahead on civil unions legislation.

“All Oregonians should take pride today in Gov. Kulongoski’s tremendous public and personal commitment to ending discrimination,” said Roey Thorpe, the group’s executive director.
© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

That's such crap. If they were issued a marriage license, then it's valid. Sure, maybe the state won't issue any more, but your mom and her wife are married in my opinion, and Oregon can go fuck it's hat.

Happy anniversary Maria's mom!

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

They'll always be married in my book. My book is definitive.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim Nashif, head of the Oregon Family Council and the Defense of Marriage Coalition, said a civil unions law would be “pretty hard to swallow” in view of voters’ approval of a gay marriage ban, Nashif said.

Tell me I am not the only one left quizzical by this fool's choice of language?

Oh, and yeah, Happy Anniversary to the happy couple.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

aw snap, i just did a thread on this

kingfish, Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

There's actually an incredibly large number of gay marriage threads; I was surprised when I searched for this old thread.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Happy Anniversary to your moms!!! So sweet. :)

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay the anniversary! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oregon's Supreme Courts Rules Gay Marriages Null and Void
By SARAH KERSHAW

Published: April 14, 2005

Oregon's highest court ruled today that 3,000 same-sex marriages held a year ago in one county were null and void, saying that the county had overstepped its authority and that the marriage licenses it had issued were unconstitutional under Oregon law.

The Oregon Supreme Court opinion drew heavily on a vote by Oregonians last November approving a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman. But the justices also ruled that even before the ballot measure was voted in, Oregon law had rendered the marriages - performed last March in Multnomah County, which includes Portland - illegal.

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"County officials were entitled to have their doubts about the constitutionality of limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples," Justice W. Michael Gillette wrote in the ruling. "But, marriage and the laws governing it are matters of statewide, not local, concern."

The court ruling also said, "Today, marriage in Oregon - an institution once limited to opposite-sex couples only by statute - now is so limited by the State Constitution as well."

The court did not address the question of whether gay couples, in legal civil unions, are entitled to the same rights and benefits as heterosexual couples, a question that is emerging as a new focus of both social conservatives and gay rights groups. Vermont is the only state that legally sanctions civil unions, but both Oregon and Connecticut are debating legislative measures that would make that option open to gay couples.

"Those marriages performed last year are not valid and that, of course, is extremely disappointing," said Rebekah Kassell, a spokeswoman for Basic Rights Oregon, one of the plaintiffs in the case. "But we are going to continue to advocate for civil unions and we are confident that the courts will end the exclusion of same-sex couples from these protections for their relationships and their families."

In Oregon, where Gov. Theodore R. Kulongoski introduced a bill this week to require civil unions under the State Constitution, state lawyers argued before the Supreme Court that while Multnomah County's decision to issue the marriage licenses was unconstitutional, gay Oregonians should be afforded the same benefits as married couples.

"The state's position from the outset was that the fundamental issue was whether or not same-sex couples were entitled to the rights and privileges of marriage, not just the institution of marriage itself," said Kevin Neely, a spokesman for State Attorney General Hardy Myers.

Oregon is one of 18 states with constitutional amendments defining marriage as between a man and a woman, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Legal cases tackling the question of whether gays can marry are winding their way through various state and county courts in at least six other states, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a national advocacy group. They include New York, Washington and California, where gay marriages were performed en masse in San Francisco shortly before the Oregon marriage licenses were granted.

Massachusetts is the only state where gay marriage is legal, under a decision last year by that state's highest court.

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Maybe I'll encourage them to renew their vows here in Massachusetts.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The Oregonian has a picture of a heterosexual couple looking lovingly into each other eyes and celebrating the fact that the gay marriages were annulled: I am appalled at the Oregonian.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dear Editors,

The photo of the Scheuermanns, a heterosexual married
couple, smugly basking in the glow of the annulment of over
3,000 marriages (on the front page of Friday's paper) was
appalling.

Should racial segregation ever be reinstated in Oregon, I
look forward to seeing similarly smug photos of smiling
Klansmen on your front page, and dispassionate, even-handed
articles on how the state has reaffirmed their most deeply
held beliefs.

--

But no, I don't think I'll send it, as it's a bit hysterical and pointless.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Do send it Chris. It's short and nasty, just like they like'em.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 15 April 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha, jesus what a stupid pic

http://rschrade.brinkster.net/stuffs/squares.jpg

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 April 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

You found the pic! Wow!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my anger at this article is a redirection of my anger at the decision.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I esp. love that she's balancing a bowl on her head and he has some flowers on his.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

well, they have a pdf of their cover pages up on their website, so I just grabbed a screenshot of it and hosted it. It is just too fuckin hilarious and creepy not to keep a record of it.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/exclude/111355892161340.xml

That's the article about them, for those playing along at home. I love how they don't have the courage of their convictions enough to put a sign up during the campaign (lest their neighbors be offended) but now that it's all nice and legal they're willing to be ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DAILY NEWSPAPER to rub it in their neighbors' faces.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

chris, you should definatley send that mail!

jed_ (jed), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

it's that damn liberal media at work again!

kingfish, Friday, 15 April 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to end the letter "GET ONE SPINE, KTHXBYE!"

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I sent the dumb letter.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Good on you, Chris.

God. I hope that, several years down the line, the anti-gay marriage laws will be considered unconstitutional and will be repealed. Because it's not right. It's just not right. It's not even right MORALLY. How can someone, anyone, deny someone else equal protection and courtesy under the laws we're governed just because of the way they're born? It's as ludicrous and wrong to me as would be a law that restricted marriage to people with blue eyes or something.

The Spirit of Sam Endicott (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 16 April 2005 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not even "because of the way they're born" -- we're Americans, we should be free to choose to get hitched to whoever we want, whether because we're born that way or we stubbornly decided at some point to do it. I mean, closeted gay people should be able to marry women even though they weren't "born that way", right? And radical feminists should be able to marry women even if they secretly prefer men, surely? Even if you can "help it", there's no reason why we shouldn't be free to marry whoever we want.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 16 April 2005 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

(That, and the law should be genderless. Which I often posit as my quest to make abortions legal for men, har har, but it's true.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 16 April 2005 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

somebody once wrote(i think it might have either Tep or Slacktivist) about how "one man, one woman" is an odd concept when hermaphrodites are a physical reality, and a few infants go thru a minor gender assignment surgery(i can't think of the proper term for it) at birth.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 16 April 2005 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that might have been me! I have a big hangup about society's hangup about ONLY TWO GENDERS.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 16 April 2005 08:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen!

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 16 April 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

See, this is the kind of letter the O prefers to print:

All human, not always humane

I have long intended to commend you for your even-handed coverage of Multnomah County's gay marriage controversy. The Oregonian has never failed to put a human face to the issue.

Friday's articles, highlighting the contrast between the happiness of Melanie and Wilf Scheuermann and the despair of Rivka and Lauren Gevurtz [about the Oregon Supreme Court's decision to nullify the marriages of same-sex couples performed in Multnomah County in 2004], were an encapsulation of the disparate perspectives that engender the debate.

And for me, the accompanying photos were a graphic illustration of the most disturbing aspect of this issue -- that one group can take such pleasure in a decision that causes others pain. Just another reminder that, although we are all human, we are not always humane.

D.M. SUYDAM Southeast Portland

Which is a pleasant and subtle slap against the Scheuermanns, but approves of (or even, kisses up to) the O being wishy-washy in the face of bigotry.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 16 April 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
School Expels Girl for Having Gay Parents
Sep 23 7:05 AM US/Eastern

ONTARIO, Calif.

A 14-year-old student was expelled from a Christian school because her parents are lesbians, the school's superintendent said in a letter.

Shay Clark was expelled from Ontario Christian School on Thursday.

"Your family does not meet the policies of admission," Superintendent Leonard Stob wrote to Tina Clark, the girl's biological mother.

Stob wrote that school policy requires that at least one parent may not engage in practices "immoral or inconsistent with a positive Christian life style, such as cohabitating without marriage or in a homosexual relationship," The Los Angeles Times reported in Friday's edition.

Stob could not be reached for comment by the newspaper. Shay and her parents said they won't fight the ruling.

School administrators learned of the parents' relationship this week after Shay was reprimanded for talking to the crowd during a football game, Tina Clark said.
Clark and her partner have been together 22 years and have two other daughters, ages 9 and 19.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what she was saying to the crowd during the game.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Strange that they'd sent her to a Christian school.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometimes, Christian schools are the "best" schools in the area, religion or no.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

(not just Christian obviously, other private schools too)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course everyone knows that it's impossible for gay Christians to exist.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

puff of logic etc.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ocschools.org/

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a thread for this a few days ago which I am too rushed to hunt down right now.

"immoral or inconsistent with a positive Christian life style, such as cohabitating without marriage or in a homosexual relationship,"

Or, say, casting judgment.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Gives a whole new meaning to getting stoned in school.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 26 September 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Beth, you crack me up!

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link


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