I Just Wanted To Take Another Look At You - the 2018 ILX Film Poll Results Thread

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1. First Reformed
w/d: Paul Schrader
US 2017 digital 2.8K
556 points, 18 votes, 4 #1s

Is Amanda Seyfried in any movies where her boyfriend isn't a fuck-up?

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, July 1, 2018

Paul Schrader's 'slow' transcendental drama FIRST REFORMED w/ Ethan Hawke

Cheers to all voters, posters, and lurkers here and through the year. Ballot exhibitionists, please use the separate thread: BALLOTS: Endgame - ILM 2018 film poll ballot depository in order to keep this one searchable.

deserved congrats to weird uncle schrader

shoplifters soared whenever ando was on screen, performance of the year

thanks for running the poll sic!!!

Thank you sic!

Wow -- best one-two in a film poll here.

I remember liking zama, but it’s been two years and I don’t remember anything about it now

You saw it in 2017?1

I did too

xp I thought on the surface it was about the bureaucratic layers, dead-ends, degradation and shame that Diego de Zama experiences in his attempts to get reposted away from Paraguay, which in the end turns into literal bodily degradation. Feels obv like there was a lot more going on on a deeper level

there were also a lot of strange seemingly random events: the people in a secret room crowded around a sanadora who is smoking a cigar and performing a healing ritual, the scene in the crypt where lyme is being dropped over the dead body of el oriental, the voiceover moment of the assistant to the Gobernador, while fondling what he thinks are the dried up ears of Vicuña Porto which were supposedly cut off before his execution (viewing this scene the second time through I could better see its portentous quality), the ghost hotel that Diego de Zama stays at on the outskirts of the town

You saw it in 2017?1

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yeah it played at NYFF

fuckin snobs

the most compelling theme of the movie to me was the depiction of banal oppression (as opposed to histrionic, crushing oppression) of life under colonial rule

Top 4 feels right.

Good poll, sic, thanks for running it. Been too busy to comment much but I enjoyed the rollout.

xxp I loved Daniel Giménez Cacho's performance in this, he was so consistently self-possessed

also Lola Dueñas (Luciana) was mesmerizing as the gossipy noblewoman who teases and frustrates him

re: Shoplifters, I think Sakura Andô is great in this but I also love Lily Franky and Kirin Kiki

feels in retrospect that the crucial scene in it is when Shota confronts Osamu over breaking their moral code

I liked First Reformed a lot, voted for it, but also had a hard time with it, is was so cold and sad. I had to watch the last few scenes over again for the events of it to really sink in, was the ending supposed to represent reality or a dying man's fantasy?

I will revisit the whole thing again at some point but it was heartbreaking to watch

THANK YOU SIC!

imo "cold" is not a pejorative

no I agree, but i grew up in a strict, religious germanic family and "cold" in that sense is an element that I react to

Well done, sic!

Spider-Verse: nerds (didn't see, but I will maybe)
Favourite: high on my worst list; see the Greek stuff
Mandy: ffs {didn't see)
Zama: think I had it 14th, possibly overrated
Burning: overrated
Shoplifters: ditto
First Reformed: my #3

shameful omission: Amazing Grace (NY/LA, December '18)

thanks sic, cept for those funny papers pages you posted

1R was not "cold," this is the old shit Kubrick usta get.

was the ending supposed to represent reality or a dying man's fantasy?

Schrader said it wasn't his idea, but someone brought up the ambiguity, so he cut out the shot of our heroine walking into the rectory to make it ambiguous.

really kevin, u should at least remember the llamas

The Letterboxd list (I've seen 17/50)

I like "cold," and I would describe Kubrick that way. He is my favorite director

just reacting on a personal level to this

that ending was really something

If you mean unsentimental, sure. I don't think the boy's death scene in Barry Lyndon is cold (nor HAL's). Nor Christiane's song at the end of Paths of Glory.

agree

Here was my full top 10:

First Reformed (Paul Schrader)
24 Frames (Abbas Kiarostami)
Cold Water (Olivier Assayas)
Zama (Lucrecia Martel)
Hale County This Morning, This Evening (RaMell Ross)
Monrovia, Indiana (Frederick Wiseman)
BlacKkKlansman (Spike Lee)
Support the Girls (Andrew Bujalski)
Let the Sunshine In (Claire Denis)
Shoplifters (Hirokazu Kore-eda)

I like your list

never heard of Cold Water

it's hard to pick a favorite Assayas film for me

I might've voted for Cold Water if I remembered much about it from the late '90s

(have it out of the library now)

shoplifters made me cry twice, which is a feat

first reformed is one of the greatest movies released in my lifetime

Top Fifty in one place

1 First Reformed (Schrader) 556 points, 18
2 Shoplifters (Kore-eda) 520 points, 18
3 Burning [버닝] (Lee Chang-dong) 492 points, 18 votes,
4 Zama (Martel) 462 points, 15 votes,
5 Mandy (Cosmatos) 384 points, 14 votes,
6 The Favourite (Lanthimos) 329 points, 14 votes,
7 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (Lord, Rothman, et al) 285 points, 10 votes,
8 Let the Sunshine In (Denis) 278 points, 11 votes,
9 Eighth Grade (Burnham) 274 points, 11 votes,
10 Sorry To Bother You (Riley) 270 points, 10 votes,
11 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Coen Bros) 252 points, 10 votes,
12 Hereditary (Aster) 250 points, 10 votes,
13 Leave No Trace (Granik) 246 points, 11 votes,
14 Happy As Lazzaro [Lazzaro felice] (Rohrwacher) 233 points, 9 votes,
15 Western (Grisebach) 231 points, 8 votes,
16 BlacKkKlansman (Spike Lee) 225 points, 10 votes,
17 Claire's Camera (Hong) 202 points, 7 votes,
18 You Were Never Really Here (Ramsay) 200 points, 8 votes,
19 Roma (Cuaron) 186 points, 7 votes,
20 Annihilation (Garland) 182 points, 8 votes,
21 Madeline's Madeline (Decker) 168 points, 7 votes,
22 Support the Girls (Bujalski) 162 points, 7 votes,
23 Isle of Dogs (Anderson, W.) 158 points, 9 votes,
24 Paddington 2 (King, Farnaby) 141 points, 6 votes,
25 The Other Side Of The Wind (Welles) 133 points, 5 votes,
26 Free Solo (Vasarelyi & Chin) 123 points, 6 votes,
27 Monrovia, Indiana (Wiseman) 121 points, 4 votes,
28 The Rider (Zhao) 117 points, 6 votes
29 24 Frames (Kiarostami) 114 points, 4 votes
30 Loveless (Zvyagintsev) 110 points, 4 votes
31 Faces, Places (Varda, JR) 106 points, 5 votes
32 Hale County This Morning, This Evening (Ross) 104 points, 4 votes
33 First Man (Chazelle) 101 points, 4 votes
34 The Death of Stalin (Ianucci) 100 points, 5 votes
35= Can You Ever Forgive Me? (Heller, Holofcener, Whitty) 98 points, 6 votes
35= Dead Souls (Wang) 98 points, 3 votes
35= Eight Hours Are Not A Day (Fassbinder) 98 points, 3 votes
35= Phantom Thread (Anderson, P.T.) 98 points, 4 votes
39= mid90s (Hill) 92 points, 3 votes
39= Thoroughbreds (Finley) 92 points, 4 votes
41= The Image Book (Godard) 91 points, 4 votes,
41= The Wild Pear Tree (Ceylan) 91 points, 3 votes
43 Elephant Sitting Still (Hu Bo) 89 points, 3 votes
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stops (Goss Bros) 84 points, 4 votes
45 Museo (Ruizpalacios) 83 points, 3 votes
46 McQueen (doco) 81 points, 3 votes
47 Minding the Gap (Bing Liu) 78 points, 4 votes
48 Ash Is Purest White (Zhangke) 77 points, 3 votes
49 Green Book (Vallelonga) 71 points, 3 votes
50 The Square (Östlund) 70 points, 3 votes

I surely would have voted for Cold Water if I'd thought about it as being new...not disagreeing; I just didn't realize I was seeing a re-release (or whatever) when I saw it last year (first in a theatre, then again on DVD a few weeks later). Top three or four.

Quick transformation to average points - could be wrong as I relied on excel formulas

1= Dead Souls 32.667 (3 votes)
1= Eight Hours Are Not A Day 32.667 (3 votes)
3 First Reformed 30.889 (18 votes)
4 Zama 30.8 (15 votes)
5 mid90s 30.667 (3 votes)
6 The Wild Pear Tree 30.333 (3 votes)
7 Monrovia Indiana 30.25 (4 votes)
8 Elephant Sitting Still 29.667 (3 votes)
9 Shoplifters 28.889 (18 votes)
10 Western 28.875 (8 votes)
11 Claire's Camera 28.857 (7 votes)
12= Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 28.5 (10 votes)
12= 24 Frames 28.5 (4 votes)
14 Museo 27.667 (3 votes)
15 Loveless 27.5 (4 votes)
16 Mandy 27.429 (14 votes)
17 Burning [버닝] 27.333 (18 votes)
18= Sorry To Bother You 27 (10 votes)
18= McQueen 27 (3 votes)
20 The Other Side Of The Wind 26.6 (5 votes)
21 Roma 26.571 (7 votes)
22 Hale County This Morning This Evening 26 (4 votes)
23 Happy As Lazzaro [Lazzaro felice] 25.889 (9 votes)
24 Ash Is Purest White 25.667 (3 votes)
25 Let the Sunshine In 25.273 (11 votes)
26 First Man 25.25 (4 votes)
27 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs 25.2 (10 votes)
28= Hereditary 25 (10 votes)
28= You Were Never Really Here 25 (8 votes)
30 Eighth Grade 24.909 (11 votes)
31 Phantom Thread 24.5 (4 votes)
32 Madeline's Madeline 24 (7 votes)
33 Green Book 23.667 (3 votes)
34= The Favourite 23.5 (14 votes)
34= Paddington 2 23.5 (6 votes)
36 The Square 23.333 (3 votes)
37 Support the Girls 23.143 (7 votes)
38 Thoroughbreds 23 (4 votes)
39= Annihilation 22.75 (8 votes)
39= The Image Book 22.75 (4 votes)
41 BlacKkKlansman 22.5 (10 votes)
42 Leave No Trace 22.364 (11 votes)
43 Faces Places 21.2 (5 votes)
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stops 21 (4 votes)
45 Free Solo 20.5 (6 votes)
46 The Death of Stalin 20 (5 votes)
47= The Rider 19.5 (6 votes)
47= Minding the Gap 19.5 (4 votes)
49 Isle of Dogs 17.556 (9 votes)
50 Can You Ever Forgive Me? 16.333 (6 votes)

Biggest absence = Cold War? I thought it was just OK, and not as good as Ida, but made most other Top Ten type lists.

sic, thank you for your service

50 Can You Ever Forgive Me? 16.333 (6 votes)

Perfect.

sic, can we get a list or link for #51-222?

This took a minute. I'm sure I'm missing a few options here; feel free to add your own (and kanopy clicks) if you want:

Currently Streaming in the US (6/2019):

1 First Reformed - Amazon Prime
2 Shoplifters - Hulu
3 Burning - Netflix
4 Zama - Amazon Prime
5 Mandy - Shudder
6 The Favourite – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
7 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Netflix
8 Let the Sunshine In - Hulu
9 Eighth Grade - Amazon Prime
10 Sorry To Bother You - Hulu
11 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs - Netflix
12 Hereditary - Amazon Prime
13 Leave No Trace - Amazon Prime
14 Happy As Lazzaro - Netflix
15 Western - Amazon Prime
16 BlacKkKlansman - HBO
17 Claire's Camera - Criterion
18 You Were Never Really Here - Amazon Prime
19 Roma - Netflix
20 Annihilation - Amazon Prime - Hulu
21 Madeline's Madeline - Amazon Prime
22 Support the Girls - Hulu
23 Isle of Dogs - Hulu
24 Paddington 2 - HBO
25 The Other Side Of The Wind - Netflix
26 Free Solo - Hulu
27 Monrovia, Indiana - PBS
28 The Rider - Starz
29 24 Frames - Criterion
30 Loveless - Starz
31 Faces, Places - Netflix
32 Hale County This Morning, This Evening – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
33 First Man – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
34 The Death of Stalin - Showtime
35= Can You Ever Forgive Me? – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
35= Dead Souls – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
35= Eight Hours Are Not A Day - Criterion
35= Phantom Thread - Cinemax
39= mid90s - Amazon Prime
39= Thoroughbreds – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
41= The Image Book – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
41= The Wild Pear Tree – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
43 Elephant Sitting Still – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stop – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
45 Museo – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
46 McQueen - Amazon Prime
47 Minding the Gap - Hulu
48 Ash Is Purest White – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
49 Green Book – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
50 The Square - Hulu

didn't vote, probably would have voted Death of Stalin, Blackkklansman, Sorry to Bother You, The Favourite, Mandy, First Reformed, IoD, Bear 2, have to figure out the rest.

had no idea First Reformed was so highly regarded, not having been exactly blown away by anything Schrader or fuckin Ethan Hawke has done in like... 20 years?

I mean Dog Eat Dog was *insane* but idk if it was that good

it's a double comeback

xp

you can buy/rent The Image Book on youtube

I see these as available on Kanopy: First Reformed, Eighth Grade, Hereditary, Leave No Trace, Madeline's Madeline, Faces Places, Mid90s, McQueen

Hawke has been in plenty of good/interesting things in that period