Morrissey is a racist

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Morrissey is a racist and this Interpol guy is a fucking dimwit.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link

no one tell wcc

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link

re: moz ,,,,,, that joke isn't funny anymore

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link

that jerk isn't funny anymore

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Thursday, 27 June 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link

Looked up the old "should Morrissey have Pj Harvey supporting him?" controversy and found some guy being racist on the thread
https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/p-j-harvey-fox-hunting-bitch.37392/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 June 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link

well my day is worse for reading that

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link

Read bits of this too, I'm too lazy to read the whole thing
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/02/today-thoughts-for-the-day-pj-harvey-bbc-assange-pilger

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 June 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link

Billy Bragg is on your side
But you lose
Cause Interpol is on mine

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 28 June 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/gvT2KBv.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link

Stolen from facebook. Not a real single (or quote)

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link

chapeau to whoever knocked that together

VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link

Morrissey hasn't let himself go yet

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/views-on-morrissey/

Vernon Locke, Friday, 28 June 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link

When I listen to a beloved song – Neil Young’s ‘On the Beach’, for instance – I feel, at my very core, that that song is speaking to me and to me alone, that I have taken possession of that song exclusively

Haha no kidding - you rereleased it as Higgs Boson Blues...

Wild that Nick did Cosmic Dancer live recently. I would love to have been there to hear that.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 28 June 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link

What a pompous narcissist he sounds in that blog entry.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 28 June 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link

The weirdest/funniest thing about this Morrissey thing is how he keeps saying worse and worse things, in contexts where he has more and more control (i.e. getting interview for his own site by his own bloody nephew), and then he just denies/seems oblivious to what he's said. How can someone say something like "Everyone prefers their own race" - as basic as racist statements get - and then come out harrumphing and threatening to sue when he's called out on it?

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 29 June 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link

I think Morrissey's views do change his songs of the past, now that we know they were written from the point of view of a racist.

How Soon Is Now, for example, is about a guy not able to pull cos he's a racist. An incel anthem, if you think about it. https://t.co/TKp7h5aIex

— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) June 29, 2019

Now when I think of Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want, I realise now it's written from the point of view of a teary eyed racist incel, bubbling cos he's not racist but.

— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) June 29, 2019

What a twist. I've said it before, but it's like The Sixth Sense. I want to listen to the songs all over again from this fresh perspective.

— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) June 29, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 29 June 2019 12:57 (four years ago) link

Whatever inanities he may postulate

🙄

pomenitul, Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link

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mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link

My takeaway from that is that Nick Cave blog post is that he's encouraging people to pirate Morrissey's music.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:37 (four years ago) link

Xpost mark s that is a really great piece

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

thx dude :)

mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link

yeah that's really good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 29 June 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link

Those songs were always expressing the pov of an isolated misanthrope, who knows he turns people off. That their author is a racist, which was clear enough to me since I first bought an album titled Viva Hate and heard the song titled "Bengali in Platforms", doesn't change their meaning that much for me.

I read it some time ago and want to join the chorus of praise for Mark's piece.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 29 June 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link

Like, this would probably make "Girlfriend in a Coma" more innocent:

Girlfriend in a comma is totally about cutting funds to the nhs too when you think about it

— McGarvey (@McGarvito) June 29, 2019

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 29 June 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link

posting here for posterity, also Bragg makes some great points:

"Last Sunday, while much of the British media were lauding Stormzy’s Glastonbury headline show as epoch defining, Morrissey posted a white supremacist video on his website, accompanied by the comment ‘Nothing But Blue Skies for Stormzy...The Gallows for Morrissey’. The nine minute clip lifted footage from the grime star’s Pyramid Stage performance while arguing that the British establishment are using him to promote multiculturalism at the expense of white culture.

The YouTube channel of the video’s author contains other clips expressing , among other things, homophobia, racism and misogyny - left wing women of colour are a favourite target for his ire. There are also clips expounding the Great Replacement Theory, a far right conspiracy trope which holds that there is a plot of obliterate the white populations of Europe and North America through mass immigration and cultural warfare.

My first thought was to wonder what kind of websites Morrissey must be trawling in order to be able to find and repost this clip on the same day that it appeared online? I came home from Glastonbury expecting to see some angry responses to his endorsement of white supremacism. Instead, the NME published an interview with Brandon Flowers in which the Killers lead singer proclaimed that Morrissey was still “a king”, despite being in what Flowers recognised was “hot water” over his bigoted comments.

As the week progressed, I kept waiting for some reaction to the white supremacist video, yet none was forthcoming. Every time I googled Morrissey, up would pop another article from a music website echoing the NME’s original headline: ‘The Killers Brandon Flowers on Morrissey: ‘He’s Still A King’. I’m well aware from personal experience how easy it is for an artist to find something you’ve said in the context of a longer discourse turned into an inflammatory headline that doesn’t reflect your genuine views on the subject at hand, but I have to wonder if Flowers really understands the ramifications of Morrissey’s expressions of support for the far right For Britain Party?

As the writer of the powerful Killers song ‘Land of the Free’, does he know that For Britain wants to build the kind of barriers to immigration that Flowers condemns in that lyric?
Party leader Anne Marie Walters maintains ties with Generation Identity, the group who both inspired and received funds from the gunman who murdered 50 worshippers at a Christchurch mosque. How does that sit with the condemnation of mass murder by lone gunman in ‘Land of the Free’?

As an explicitly anti-Muslim party, For Britain opposes the religious slaughter of animals without the use of a stun gun, a policy that has given Morrissey a fig leaf of respectability, allowing him to claim he supports them on animal welfare grounds. Yet if that is his primary concern, why does he not support the UK’s Animal Welfare Party, which stood candidates in the recent European elections?

Among their policies, the AWF also aim to prohibit non-stun slaughter. If his only interest was to end this practice, he could have achieved this without the taint of Islamophobia by endorsing them. They are a tiny party, but Morrissey’s vocal support would have given the animal rights movement a huge boost of publicity ahead of the polls.

Instead, he expresses support for anti-Muslim provocateurs, posts white supremacist videos and, when challenged, clutches his pearls and cries “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me”. His recent claim that “as a so-called entertainer, I have no rights” is a ridiculous position made all the more troubling by the fact that it is a common trope among right-wing reactionaries.

The notion that certain individuals are not allowed to say certain things is spurious, not least because it is most often invoked after they’ve made their offensive comments. Look closely at their claims and you’ll find that what they are actually complaining about is the fact that they have been challenged.

The concept of freedom pushed by the new generation of free speech warriors maintains that the individual has the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, to whoever they want, with no comeback. If that is the definition of freedom, then one need look no further than Donald Trump’s Twitter feed as our generation’s beacon of liberty. Perhaps Lady Liberty should be replaced in New York Harbour with a colossal sculpture of the Donald, wearing a toga, holding a gaslight.

Worryingly, Morrissey’s reaction to being challenged over his support of For Britain, his willingness to double down rather than apologise for any offence caused, suggests a commitment to a bigotry that tarnishes his persona as the champion of the outsider. Where once he offered solace to the victims of a cruel and unjust world, he now seems to have joined the bullies waiting outside the school gates.

As an activist, I’m appalled by this transformation, but as a Smiths fan, I’m heartbroken.

It was Johnny Marr’s amazing guitar that drew me to the band, but I grasped that Morrissey was an exceptional lyricist when I heard ‘Reel Around the Fountain’. Ironically, it was a line that he had stolen that won my affections. “I dreamt about you last night and I fell out of bed twice” is spoken by Jimmy, the black sailor, to his white teenage lover, Jo, in Sheila Delaney’s play ‘A Taste of Honey’.

The 1961 movie, starring Rita Tushingham was an early example of a post-war British society that would embrace multi-racial relationships (and homosexuality too). By pilfering that particular line for the song, Morrissey was placing the Smiths in the great tradition of northern working class culture that may have been in the gutter, but was looking at the stars. Yet, by posting a white supremacist video in which he is quoted as saying “Everyone prefers their own race”, Morrissey undermines that line, erasing Jo and Jimmy and all those misfit lovers to whom the Smiths once gave so much encouragement.

A week has passed since the video appeared on Morrissey’s website and nothing has been written in the media to challenge his position. Today it was reported that research by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a UK based anti-extremist organisation, reveals that the Great Replacement Theory is being promoted so effectively by the far right that it is entering mainstream political discourse.

That Morrissey is helping to spread this idea - which inspired the Christchurch mosque murderer - is beyond doubt. Those who claim that this has no relevance to his stature as an artist should ask themselves if, by demanding that we separate the singer from the song, they too are helping to propagate this racist creed."

sleeve, Sunday, 7 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link

https://i.redd.it/xt8zs1vzapc21.jpg

sleeve, Sunday, 7 July 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

Jesus ppl yeah Moz DEFINITELY the only one of that lot who's ever trafficked in suspect politics

I'm a little sad they didn't use a picture of Siouxsie rocking a swastika

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 8 July 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link

siouxsie is an excellent example of someone the specifics of whose dabbling was v swiftly and firmly taken to task by the UK music press at the time -- i can't claim she mended her heart bcz i don't have the correct levels of access but she certainly mended her public ways

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

the only nazi to ever sample schoolly d

Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 8 July 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link

yeah lol @ Siouxsie and Ian Curtis inclusion

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link

I don't know who three of those artists are. I am not a Goth.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 8 July 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

if the diagram were purely a quilt of unproblematic goths* then the exclusion of morrissey would have no sting: it has to be saying "even these often quite bad ppl are forgiven, but not you buddy, no you"**

*this adjective possibly creates a category error
** also it wd allow him merely to say (like Οὖτις and tom before him) "but i'm no goth!"

(of course he is and so are they, and here we are)

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link

"joy division"

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link

my guess is the 3 you don't recognise are Alien Sex Fiend, 45 Grave & Christian Death

xps

Colonel Poo, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

he was in all of them

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

btw lol @ Christian Death, they can fuck off forever

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 8 July 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link

(I agree with mark's reading of this btw, I just hate Christian Death)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 8 July 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

(xxxp) I think you're right.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 8 July 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link

the 80's were just a more permissible, less PC time. Everyone rocked swastikas. Most people wore blackface. It was legal and expected to murder Jews in the streets. You can't judge a person by the times they live in!

akm, Monday, 8 July 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link

Ironically, Christian Death did end up on the right side of history with their condemnation of the Catholic church, which landed them in very hot waters back in the 80s. Although their fascination with necrophilia still remains beyond the pale I guess.

Siegbran, Monday, 8 July 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link

the only nazi to ever sample schoolly d

kiSS them for me

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 8 July 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link

Unproblematic Goths = great band name

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link

mark s at 10:30 8 Jul 19

if the diagram were purely a quilt of unproblematic goths* then the exclusion of morrissey would have no sting: it has to be saying "even these often quite bad ppl are forgiven, but not you buddy, no you"**

*this adjective possibly creates a category error 
** also it wd allow him merely to say (like Οὖτις and tom before him) "but i'm no goth!"

(of course he is and so are they, and here we are)

.... seen this shared on Facebook a bunch and you are drastically overestimating how this is interpreted by most people and likely the intent as well

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link

you are drastically overestimating how this is interpreted by most people

i can absolutely promise i have spent literally no time contemplating or adjusting for how anything is interpreted by "most people" on facebook and do not plan to start

and likely the intent

ok but all yr saying here is: "assuming the nonsensically dumb reading, in conclusion this is nonsensically dumb"

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link

it's a meme created for Facebook! that's where it circulated, it's like saying it's not worth considering how a tv audience will interpret a tv show

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link

and I don't even think people are dumb, I don't think that many people really know about Curtis's politics or the old Souixsie Nazi stuff

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link

Curtis voted Tory, which is worse than being a play Nazi in 1979

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link


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