that's they mean by "stand by for thrust correction"
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
lol it's mike from breaking bad in a micro-role
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
head-knocked-off scene still good
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
a neat little thing is when a belter on ganymede sprays a "remember the cant" graffiti (with a pic of holden beside it) and the spraycan does the entire correct slogan and image in one preprogrammed sweep
(i mean, i assume CAD spray-beds exist that can do this now but this was just a little just-shaken hand-held)
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
At times I've wondered whether Ashford's character was a rewritten Anderson Dawes once they realised Jared Harris had other commitments
there was an Ashford character in the book, though he was a bit different ... and Drummer basically stands in for two different characters ... so, i don't think so, but on the other hand, maybe the writers' idea was to substitute Dawes for the book captain?
― sarahell, Thursday, 27 June 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
don't think i grasped before (ftb sleepy inattention) that the anderson station story is a flashback and an origin story
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
i love protomolecule glitch Miller
― sarahell, Thursday, 27 June 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
more hot takes from mark s: alex is good from start to finish
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
i kind of like holden more also
(also he's definitely got younger since i first watched)
― mark s, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
rewatching from s2e1: enter bobbie draper
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
Bobbie is probably my favorite character on the whole show
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 June 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
holden (the second worst character after miller): "alex? make us look like something that got dropped" alex (the second best* character after bobbie): "you got it hoss"
*i will not be taking questions at this time
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
My initial reaction to Alex was “come on” but over time he grew on me to reach the top tier (along with Drummer)
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
drivers and drummers
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
ok I may take this show from the top again. It's really so very good.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 June 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
squash klaxon
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
"not dead! [exultant pause] becoming!!"
― mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
does the "becoming" trope come from red dragon? like when weirdos are excitedly explaining why they do horrific stuff? "it's not me, i'm becoming"
― mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
"i've heard that shit in bars, i thought it was just bad music"
(insert amos in cafe oto gag here_
― mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
has there been IRL mormon comment on the nauvoo hijack? i mean it's fiction but i's still a bit of a burn
― mark s, Saturday, 29 June 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
I know I said this before, but the show is full of the most interesting faces
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Sunday, 30 June 2019 07:39 (four years ago) link
it's very well cast
― mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
Amos in particular, the way his face seems to flicker back and forth between wide-eyed innocence and dead-eyed sociopathy is amazing.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 30 June 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
amos really really really reminds me the young steven wells in look and now (and then in manner)
― mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
BONE DENSITY ENHANCER
― mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
welcome back to earth dudes
gunny is a slur
(i mean i guess it's not but it feels super-patronising whenever anyone uses it)
― mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
I still haven't figured whether to read the second book or start with the second season. Hmm
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
The first season finished about half way through the second book, but the plot started to diverge. If that helps.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 30 June 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
super-patronising?
I had a uncle in the US Marines who made E-7 before mustering out. Some gunnery sergeants are indeed still called gunny, with affection.
― despondently sipping tomato soup (Sanpaku), Monday, 1 July 2019 08:55 (four years ago) link
i'm sure but in the show
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 09:28 (four years ago) link
a good thing is that s2 and s3 are both 13 eps long (10 is a bad and stuid number which shd fuck off)
also: the way her superior officers treated bobbie in the U confirms my sense that gunny is a slur (to them)
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
Probably officer vs. enlisted tensions.
― GRETA GABBO (Leee), Monday, 1 July 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
of course but these are kind of baked into the situation in any case
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
"is there a plan b?""yeah! make sure plan a works!"
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
other enlisted marines will use gunny as a term of respect because duh, that probably means they’re your bossnavy officers use gunny as a replacement for the second person pronoun, with baggage
― El Tomboto, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
that probably means they’re your boss
wait who's whose boss?
this wasn't at all obvious as i originally wrote it but my abreaction was purely in response to its usage in this show: where lines of are somewhat corrupted by the fact that the high-ups are all* scheming arseholes who treat lower-downs as contemptible pawns and worse (so that even if neutral or affectionate usage occurs here -- as y'all say it does IRL hoss -- it's poisoned by viewer doubts abt the users and their agendas)**
*even the "good" ones**noticed at all bcz "gunny" is more a regional term perhaps than other possible names for ranks (but this is probably why it was chosen in the first place)
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:36 (four years ago) link
a gunnery sergeant in the USMC is in the upper echelon of the enlisted hierarchy
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link
bobbie's strength as a character is possibly that she's the only (lasting) person who actually believes in military ideals as ideals (and martian military ideals as ideals): everyone else is more or less sardonic or cynical towards same, so that their appeals to esprit de corps always ring hollow (amusingly when yr one of her men i guess, and nastily when yr one of her superiors)
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:23 (four years ago) link
Alex believes in in Them too but for him it was just a means to an end, flying spaceships, whereas Bobby, at least at the start, is a true believer in the Martian project.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link
ok but that's not quite the same thing as i'm talking about really: she can break with the martian hierarchy bcz she's drawn to the professed ideals, it's not so much the project she believes in as what she's been brought up to believe the project represents
(she prefaces her turning point with a story abt her dad telling a lie, albeit a comfortable lie)
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:41 (four years ago) link
the crew of the rossie are all also idealists sorta-kinda but not really inflected thru an official ideology? alex is martian and certainly has residual martian loyalties -- and can get riled up when martian stuff is dissed -- but i don't think he gives a stuff abt the project or what it represents
(his deep loyalty is to the rossie itself: at the close of s2 he has a very fireflyish speech abt "she's beat up but she'll fly right")
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:44 (four years ago) link
Can't read this thread until I catch up, but man is this show good—pacing, music, characters, themes, direction. I keep waiting for it to go south like Star Trek: Discovery or Battlestar Galactica, but it's as if the whole series had been created as a whole before airing, without a care in the world for whether it gets canceled.
― Peter Scholtes, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
I never thought of "gunny" as being derogatory? I thought it was a reference to common US military nicknames? Like calling a Lieutenant "El-Tee" -- you would call a Gunnery Sergeant "Gunny"?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
And the Gunnery Sergeant would be "Gunny" to differentiate them from a Staff Sergeant or other Sergeant who would be "Sarge"?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
outside this show: likely not derogatory much of the time (caveat: i have not served and have only encountered this term in the context of fictio) within this show, as said by others at bobbie: often if not always somewhat sneering in my opinion
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
i dunno mark! i just watched S2E1 last night and bobbie's CO calls her that a couple of times and i never felt that. he is always kind to her and generous with his experience. i guess what people used to call 'paternal' (in a good way)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
ooh i will go back and check that out
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
red kibble
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
the invention of mpbile phones were you can see the message from both sides is a great step forward for privacy and security
― mark s, Saturday, 6 July 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link