Cheech & Chong
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Up_in_Smoke_%28soundtrack%29.jpg
(Released by Warner Bros. Records, so one of the not-lost ones fyi)
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link
But this one was on MCA...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Survivors#/media/File:StreetSurvivorsFlames.jpg
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/StreetSurvivorsFlames.jpg
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Fwiw the headline is "Here Are Hundreds More Artists Whose Tapes Were Destroyed in the UMG Fire"
The list is preceded with "What can be said with certainty is that these are artists whose material UMG believed had been lost in the fire and whose recordings the company spent tens of millions of dollars trying to replace."
Seems fine imo
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
(the article, not the fire. fire bad, imho)
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
sorry morrisp for upsetting you.You didn’t! I already saw the list in the article, lol... it was useful to have it here for discussion We don't know anything of the sort, unless we're making assumptions about it that are contradicted by the article that contains itYes — Neil Young; the other caveats about the list in the article itself. Universal also claims to have found certain tapes in the intervening 9 years (maybe that’s BS)Fwiw the headline is "Here Are Hundreds More Artists Whose Tapes Were Destroyed in the UMG Fire"Exactly — not “Believed” Destroyed, just “Destroyed”. The lack of that (necessary) qualifier makes it indefensibly inaccurate (you don’t agree?), and the headline + list printed in its entirety feel like a clickbait exercise meant to generate “oh, no” reactions even though knowledge of actual losses remains thin.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
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― Ambient Police (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
Ah but there's an update
In memo, UMG archivist says the company has assembled a team of "70 professionals...responsible for timely and open responses to artists about the status of musical assets under our care, as well as the extent to which certain assets were lost." https://t.co/S6Ybv5crm5— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) June 26, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Full story here:
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/universal-musics-chief-archivist-explains-companys-post-fire-artist-outreach-plan-exclusive-1203253708/
How the prospect of lawsuits concentrates the mind wonderfully.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
speaking of odd headlines:
"Universal Music’s Chief Archivist Explains Company’s Post-Fire Artist Outreach Plan" would be more accurately rendered as "Universal Music’s Chief Archivist Explains Company’s Post-Article-About-Fire Artist Outreach Plan"
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
Ever so minor details!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
I was not kidding with this post, this is an actual headline, via Alternative Nation
This is an actual headline about the Universal archive fire. NOT THAT YOU COULD TELL. pic.twitter.com/LZrdDZCyPS— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) June 27, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 June 2019 04:48 (four years ago) link
The power of the press
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/06/26/vivendis-sale-umg-indefinite-pause/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 June 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
Every artist who has been cursing the majors' terrible inventory practices for decades must now be praying that they were so bad there still may be a chance their recordings survived.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 27 June 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2019/06/27/vivendi-feeling-the-heat-over-umg-music-vault-fire-as-shares-tumble/#1ea5bcebe6e6
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 June 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
finally read the articles, and thus, this thread
as i scrolled through the complete list of artists i thought to myself this is a bee ok post, guaranteed and lo(l)
― mookieproof, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
I just noticed this obit. Mickey Kapp, who ran Kapp Records for many years, died on June 11. The masters for nearly the entire Kapp discography were destroyed in the June 2008 fire at the UMG vault on the Universal studios backlot. https://t.co/3fZqVRQcWF— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) July 9, 2019
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
i dunno if you can beat "made mixtapes for astronauts" as an epitaph
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
UMG files motion to dismiss, arguing (among other things) that the destroyed tapes were its own property: https://variety.com/2019/music/news/universal-fire-motion-dismiss-soundgarden-hole-tupac-tom-petty-1203270567/
― stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:53 (four years ago) link
Also (FWIW), a long new memo from the label’s head archivist: https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/universal-music-fire-damage-update-masters-archivist-internal-memo-read-1203270621/
― stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:02 (four years ago) link
I suggest reading this thread from Jody Rosen in response:
In a new Variety piece, Universal Music Group offers an update on efforts to tally its losses in the fire that struck its Hollywood tape vault in 2008. UMG also pushes back—again—on @NYTmag reporting on the fire & losses incurred. https://t.co/e2MvM8A642— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) July 17, 2019
As well as this separate follow-up tweet:
Hours after UMG pushes out a memo downplaying its losses in the '08 fire, its lawyers file a motion to dismiss lawsuit by artists...bc the statute of limitations has expired & after all UMG "publicly stated that hundreds of thousands of recordings were destroyed" in '09. Wild. pic.twitter.com/shsOCs3hFk— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) July 18, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link
New thread just now as well
Universal Fire update: I thought I'd devote a few tweets to highlighting some rather extraordinary discordances between the message that Universal Music Group is pushing in public statements & the assertions that the company has made & is continuing to make in legal filings.— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) July 18, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
Separately but relatedish, this thread is making the rounds:
Warner Music Group has halted ALL archiving globally, except ultra-specific Abbey Road projects, until at least Oct 1. No indication was given if archiving would continue after that. Archivists received an email on July 1, indicating a 3-month minimum lay-off would begin July 10. pic.twitter.com/ZX6TzK2D7f— Zachary Jaydon (@ZacharyJaydon) July 18, 2019
Internal documents provided to me, indicated archivists were to keep this information out of the press, & not to discuss past mastering projects or losses of Master Recordings, due to damaged or lost tapes, & acknowledged the company has over a million “assets” left to archive. pic.twitter.com/pSOTqBkHdp— Zachary Jaydon (@ZacharyJaydon) July 18, 2019
“We do not need @JodyRosen calling,” indicating WMG are aware of the press that UMG is currently receiving, criticizing their lack of accountability for the 2008 fire that gutted the company of more than 150,000 Master Recordings from some of the best-selling artists in history. pic.twitter.com/kdNKz4Fd6e— Zachary Jaydon (@ZacharyJaydon) July 18, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
Jody shared it but notes:
THREAD. If true, this is quite weird. Also, I think it's fair to say, poorly timed. https://t.co/W0UxR0qU8F— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) July 18, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
ffs, UMG is handling every aspect of this, and every subsequent step, in the dumbest way imaginable.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/music/news/universal-music-fire-hole-many-suing-artists-masters-not-damaged-1203306883/
Hole is off the suit, other changes etc.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/universal-music-refutes-soundgarden-lawsuit-claims-2008-fire-dismissal-1203315143/
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 02:32 (four years ago) link
“We told you six years after it happened!”
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 29 August 2019 05:21 (four years ago) link
More artists pull out of the lawsuit: https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/tupac-soundgarden-universal-music-fire-lawsuit-1203533645/
― Panic! At The Costco (morrisp), Friday, 13 March 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
Everyone should stay in a lawsuit demanding their rights back due to mishandling of assets, rather than specific damages suffered
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 13 March 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
Jody Rosen of NY Times tweeted in response to Variety article: Next time UMG passes along an internal memo for publication, @Variety might require on-record answers to follow-up Qs. Here's 1: The vault destroyed in the '08 fire held 10s of 1000s of historic master recordings on the Decca & Chess labels. Any update on the fate of those tapes?
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 March 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link