"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

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https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/germanys-new-mini-reichs/

The Reichsbürger’s ethno-nationalist ideology most closely resembles American strains of right-wing state-denying and secessionist groups known as “Sovereign Citizens.” Many of the exact conspiracy theories, tactics, and legal maneuvers employed by German Reichsbürger are borrowed from the Sovereign Citizens, whose earliest groupings can be traced back to the 1970s. Often survivalist or white nationalist in nature, Sovereign Citizens deny the legitimacy and jurisdiction of the US federal government and especially the IRS, claiming that the individual is inherently sovereign or that the highest authority is the local sheriff (as commissioned by local “free men”).

The Australian sociologist Judy Lattas sees microstates as “a largely grievance-driven form of political protest” but with a much deeper significance for our present understanding of the nation-state and the individual. Small groups and individuals who declare their own state may take their vocabulary from the establishing ceremonies of larger states, but they “relocate” sovereignty onto an assertion of individual rights. Thomas Jefferson’s individual hand signing the Declaration of Independence represented not himself but the united will of the nation. Microstates insist that tiny groups and even single individuals also deserve the rights of a state.

j., Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:21 (four years ago) link

Pierce is doing what pundits do, taking a news story and spinning out a narrative. A lot of these narratives involve the future and the horrible consequences that will roll out of the original news story and day now.

Pierce could be right here. The implications of the Oregon Republicans openly embracing people who make serious threats of violence against their political opponents is ugly as hell and much too easy to normalize as just another baby step in a trend that's been building for more than a decade. But it's good to remember that pundits, like stock pickers, make a lot of bad or overwrought predictions, based on seeing trends that move only in one direction.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link

is there a more positive narrative?

mookieproof, Monday, 24 June 2019 23:24 (four years ago) link

I can't see the future.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link

xp no there isn't

Ambient Police (sleeve), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link

Let's see about that. Hmmm. How about:

  • no actual violence occurs as a result of this act of political theater on the part of the Republicans.
  • the episode ends with the Republicans further marginalized in Oregon politics as a result of their stupid shenanigans.
  • the cap-and-trade bill is slightly altered to allow some face-saving but passes essentially as it is (which already contains a number of compromises to address the concerns of rural Oregonians and the 'mighty' timber lobby.
  • in the parts of the state where the more militant, gun-toting, confederate flag-waving minority flaunts their ugly beliefs, the less militant majority continues to worry mostly about making a living and raising their kids.
  • and the whole thing blows over.
I don't claim to be a clairvoyant, but this narrative about the future seems to me to exist within the realm of the possible. I offer it, not as prediction but as a possible "more positive narrative" that mookieproof asked for and sleeve asserts doesn't exist.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:51 (four years ago) link

does this... remind you of anyone?

More details: https://t.co/Dmz4U9Tj46

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 2, 2019

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link

is it possible to be both a sovereign human being and a seven nation army?

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Early in ILX's existence there was a Millar who posted here. Kind of a contrarian, given to outbursts. I wonder...

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 August 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link

lol

mookieproof, Friday, 23 August 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

washington state senator is a real piece of work: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/matt-shea-washington-extremism.html

ex-wife testified that he insisted she walk on his left side because his sword, if he had one, would be on his right

also no one wants to arrest him due to fears of a violent confrontation

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Kansas man asks judge's leave for sword battle with ex-wife, lawyer

A Kansas man has asked an Iowa judge to let him engage in a sword fight with his ex-wife and her attorney so that he can “rend their souls” from their bodies.

David Ostrom, 40, of Paola, Kansas, said in a Jan. 3 court filing that his former wife, Bridgette Ostrom, 38, of Harlan, Iowa, and her attorney, Matthew Hudson, had “destroyed (him) legally.” The Ostroms have been embroiled in disputes over custody and visitation issues and property tax payments.

The judge had the power to let the parties “resolve our disputes on the field of battle, legally,” David Ostrom said, adding in his filing that trial by combat “has never been explicitly banned or restricted as a right in these United States.”

He also asked the judge for 12 weeks’ time so he could secure Japanese samurai swords.

Of course he fucking did.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link

broke, classist: making fun of Florida Man
funny, wholesome: making fun of sovereign citizens

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this lunacy has crossed to the UK. apparently here the magic words are "article 61 of MAGNA CARTA"

no surprise that there is a connection with brexiteers, antiquarians and a faintly hapless baron:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09qhsc4

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link

lol that was hilarious.

calzino, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

The first freemen I became aware of that prompted me to start the thread where in the UK

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link

i met my first in 2009 through work on ach1ll

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link

it feels a very ancient kind of lunacy

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

"antiquarian bookseller Gregg Lance-Watkins"

calzino, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link

the guy who got sent down for drink driving and seriously hurting somebody then describes his prison time as his "apprenticeship" and says he had volunteered to be a hangman for the execution of the treacherous QEII!

calzino, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link

whats the penalty under art 61 of the magna carta of an irish lad using a vpn to listen to this podcast

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link

you get bled out till death like the subhuman pig eyed mick you are, overseen by an executioner who is a serial drink driver and did time for child porn in the 00's!

calzino, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link

fuckit, will we chance it anyway lads hah?

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Driving While Idiot

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link

sounds like a job for the freemen

it's not a car, it's a boat, and the dwi law only applies to airspace

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

sovereign citizen storyline in the new BOSCH

mark s, Saturday, 18 April 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link

^^^ Was just coming here to mention this.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link

i'm just going to start posting coronavirus protest pictures here, rather than ruining all the other threads

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

don't click this thread if you don't want to see freedom

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

MAGA version of Tiananmen Square = blocking ambulances until someone reopens Waffle House

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link

Consecutive tweets from @natalie_allison pic.twitter.com/LafzDsztRY

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 20, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 20 April 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link

this is a press release from the GOP in Virginia:

https://virginia.gop/liberate-virginia/

Richmond, VA – On Friday, President Donald Trump tweeted, “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” That tweet was accompanied by two others directed at the citizens of two other states also subjected to the tyrannical rule of incompetent liberal governors.

COVID-19 testing, the key to lifting public restrictions, stalls in Virginia
Timely COVID-19 information is vital, but Va.’s state government is falling short
During Governor Northam’s 2:00 PM press conference today, please consider asking him if shutting down Virginia is actually for our health. Before he attempts to enchant you with a canned “now is not the time for partisanship” answer in his Eastern Shore drawl, consider the following:

When the State tells you it’s safe to go to the store to buy a broom but too dangerous to go and buy a flower, it’s not about your health.
When the State shuts down thousands of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it’s not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems an abortion safe, it’s not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying gardening supplies because it’s dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.
When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone, or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up and hair done for multiple TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link

When the GOP wants your vote, it's about your stupidity

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

is it freeman stuff tho

steer calmer (darraghmac), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

its certainly a boon companion alright, dont get me wrong, but if it isnt quoting maritime law then....

steer calmer (darraghmac), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

i don't know if it's exactly freeman stuff, but if you want to start a new covid19-related thread and answer to a bunch of people who get mad at the idea of seeing underlined words on a screen that they don't want to click on, by all means take the initiative!

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link

rhonda,

see above.

rgds,

steer calmer (darraghmac), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link

we regret to inform you that Rhonda is Out of Office today. she is at the gathering shown in the attached image, governmet.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1ejJpJI.jpg

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

governmetropolitan elites imo

donald failson (sic), Monday, 20 April 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link

Karl, instead of violating the natural sovereignty of this thread, maybe you should post pro-virus images here: "Get a Brain! Morans": Word is out

dip to dup (rob), Monday, 20 April 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

in honor of coronavirus 2019 i will post pro-virus images on all threads, so they can spread as quickly as possible

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link

This is close enough to Freemenry to justify this digression imo

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 April 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link

coronatruthers are morphing into wildlings. it's not the game of thrones prequel we hoped for, but it is what we deserve

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

its certainly a boon companion alright, dont get me wrong, but if it isnt quoting maritime law then....

truth(er) bomb

Fetch the Bolt Thrower (PBKR), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link

Contingent of heavily armed individuals in back of an old military vehicle just showed up. They said they’re all independent. No affiliation. pic.twitter.com/Y8GMcN12eG

— Miguel Marquez (@miguelmarquez) April 20, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 April 2020 23:30 (three years ago) link


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