if this week has taught us anything it’s that the discourse can always get worse
Exposed.. “the neighbours from hell” pic.twitter.com/3T19KaKlhH— MoS_Politics (@MoS_Politics) June 22, 2019
― ||||||||, Sunday, 23 June 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link
between the monstering of aman and the remain neighbours, it’s not worrying at all that our nation’s respected journalists have chosen “know your place serfs” as their guiding philosophy over “holding the powerful to account”
― ||||||||, Sunday, 23 June 2019 04:37 (four years ago) link
Ah, I see Carrie Symonds’ ex Harry Cole is one of the four dickheads with a byline on that story.
― suzy, Sunday, 23 June 2019 05:30 (four years ago) link
In retrospect, things haven't turned out well for the four core regulars of the Late Show. Mark Lawson got sacked for bullying, Allison Pearson became the new Melanie Phillips, and Tony Parsons became Tony Parsons. Only Tom Paulin seems to have emerged untainted, though I suppose he did have that indiepop band named after him.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 June 2019 06:15 (four years ago) link
xxp otfm. Like there’s a photo of the house, map of the inside, rabble-rousing language about the couple - it’s fucking disgusting.xp yeah it’s extremely odd that he’s still enthusiastically pushing Boris like his life depends on it lol
― govussy blues (gyac), Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:10 (four years ago) link
xpamazing that Pearson wasn't the worse thing about the Late Show in my memory. Lawson always did seem like a complete scummy piece of shit, and he's a Leeds Utd fan. Parsons doing his strained attempt at being thoughtful and middle-brow was so painful - you could hear the cogs grinding and clicking.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:13 (four years ago) link
Minor public schoolboy bullshit, I reckon.
― suzy, Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:23 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-texts-foreign-secretary-resignation-speech
"For the ‘One Nation’ Tories who have backed Johnson, the video may make uncomfortable viewing."
One nation tories my arse, ooh how uncomfortable it makes us that our right wing headcase takes counsel from the klan-man.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:50 (four years ago) link
*cough* called it
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:59 (four years ago) link
How much one-nation toryism has there really been in the last 40 odd years? but Boris has learned from Cameron that you can do all sorts of ruthless social engineering murder policies and still pay lip service to it, and that's all that really matters to the press who will constantly parrot it as a credential without any analysis or thought.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
I think "one nation" means not publicly calling for the murder of LGBTQ+ people and keeping your racism on the down low oh hang on
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:28 (four years ago) link
I'm still lost here, who are these one nation tories? Michael Heseltine? Gary Lineker?
― anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
That's just a video of Bannon chatting shit isn't it? Unless they can get evidence of recent contact...just unsure how seriously to take anything Carole Cadwalladr writes about.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
Even New Labour were only half-arsed One Nation Tories, cos after the crash they were forced to show their true Thatcherite colours.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:47 (four years ago) link
xp you are so dementedly anti-Cadwalladr that that's your take? Jesus wept
although I guess we did already know that he was in cahoots with the neofascist vanguard
― imago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:49 (four years ago) link
Right, it just adds nothing extra. Its not as if the guy wouldn't be racist if he hadn't met Bannon. Or as if the UK is a wonderful place for migrants and its now under threat because of it.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:53 (four years ago) link
I'm not see whats so damning in the Bannon clip?
And what is damning in any future General Election is not the same thing as damning his bid for leadership. its all so intangible. Trump talking about the NHS? Thats tangible, and enough to have had an effect
There's probably a cumulative effect to all this stuff, but I don't know how significant - beyond a certain point it ceases to become a story
― anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:08 (four years ago) link
the point is that Boris has repeatedly claimed that he didn't meet with Bannon nor solicit any advice. But Bannon certainly has form in exaggerating his own importance.
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
Even Trump talking about the NHS is a side-show - he'll see it as a deal like anything else if its ever put in front of him. What about the state of it today in many parts of the country, or its ongoing privatization?
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:14 (four years ago) link
Scottish independence voting intention (ft. scenario prompting Boris Johnson being UK Prime Minister):Yes: 53%No: 47%via @Panelbase, last week— Britain Elects (@britainelects) June 23, 2019
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link
rip woke Ruth
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link
how is it still so close
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link
Scotland should stick around just in case the overdue Tory permaban kicks in tbh
― imago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link
I guess you can only wait so long
That's exactly what I thought.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link
lol the union’s gonna die
― turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link
"ts: boris johnson vs wings over scotland" is how i break it down to an extent
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link
i'm sure that the technology already exists to solve the Scottish backstop problem
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link
late show: a warning from history
gove is gove (bad not good), morley is morley (good not bad)*, the greer sisters are differentially problematic (germaine is terrible, bonnie is mildly blairite) -- and no one has yet mentioned the brexit beatle >:|
*has he ever made a single political noise of any kind?
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
lol the union’s not gonna die
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:45 (four years ago) link
I am a bit interested in her, in that I never picked up her being so full of bile and froth when she was reviewing things on TV. I don't know if I was just a poor judge of character or if she's been somehow radicalised since then.
― Alba, Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That was a long time ago she was on TV reviewing things.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also she was bad
― mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Poor woman and two-year-old murdered by partner in Essex. Neighbour shouted at police: "You KNEW this was going to happen & did nothing."— Allison Pearson (@allisonpearson) June 6, 2011
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:46 (four years ago) link
i am crossed out there because as always i am correct
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
Are we really flogging the argument that because things are bad they can't get meaningfully worse?
One Nation Tories are in the minority these days but I'd guess the supposedly liberal Cameron contingent is reasonably prominent. For those people it's about the optics - it's not about the logical consistency of going "well this amount of hostile environment was OK but Steve Bannon is beyond the pale" - although they will do that. But being associated with a straight-up fascist like Bannon is a terrible look for a party that needs the votes of the socially liberal to win.
Looking like you're a cog in a supranational far right conspiracy isn't exactly a great look either but most voters won't think like that anyway.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:11 (four years ago) link
I don't think Carole writes up something on Bannon praising Johnson means things getting worse but sure go ahead and 'flog' this one.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:19 (four years ago) link
I don't think there are any significant number of One Nation Tories at all in terms of there being a clique who would put social policies over economic ones or who aren't fully committed to that ol' free market or have any record of campaigning for a better model of wealth redistribution. Maybe that is judging what makes a one-tory by the old definition or whatever, but makes one these days is not very clearly defined or even complete bullshit as far as I can see.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:34 (four years ago) link
* what makes one*
*fucking typing*
― calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:35 (four years ago) link
Did you watch the video? He isn't just praising him, he's claiming he advised him.
Tracer's read that Bannon might be exaggerating his own importance seems pretty credible to me. But even if he was just praising him it would still be newsworthy because it would suggest that Bannon *was* expecting things to get materially worse for a lot of people, and that our most likely next PM might have done something to give him that idea. Even if it isn't of itself hugely significant in the grand scale of things that doesn't make it a non-story or something to be shrugged off.
(xxxpost)
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:39 (four years ago) link
It’s a side note. It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be covered but framing it as proving Johnson is Bannon’s ‘protege’ does nothing for the credibility of journalists meant to be holding Johnson and his backers up to scrutiny. You only have to look at the front pages of the Telegraph, Mail, Sun, etc, to know there is a coordinated effort by the rich and influential to make Johnson PM. Elevating the importance of a gin-addled old wretch, based on nothing more than his own bragging, to a pivotal cog in the machine just obfuscates what’s actually happening imo.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:52 (four years ago) link
The bigger question is why on earth Johnson would need to take advice from Bannon. Because as out of touch as Boris is its not like he doesn't know how to play the media or knows less about the UK than a man who thinks Yaxley-Lennon represents the backbone of this country. It isn't worth the risk.
The only reason I can think of for his involvement is that its a condition of campaign funding and even then I'm sceptical because its not like Johnson couldn't easily get the money from somewhere else.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:54 (four years ago) link
broader web of connections with Trump and his people and Farage/Banks i think, and sure Bannon is the loose cannon gobshite amongst that crowd but
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:57 (four years ago) link
Matt - I didn't watch it at first, just read the piece and massively eyerolled at the thing.
Now I have and I need more than a few texts exchanged/ "advice" - we all knew there is more than nothing but if this is to become substantial I need more meat on the bones of this "advice" business.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:02 (four years ago) link
to be clear i think this is only really relevant to the extent it might indicate a determined play for No Deal by Johnson as PM
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
Maybe Boris isn't as smart as people think he is. Shockah!
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
cadwalladr has a v unhelpful* tendency to hype everything as bad largely bcz ultimately routing back to a vast putin-devised and -run machine, which (a) overlooks (in fact lol "erases") the more urgently present role of homegrown media and (as SV says) "the rich and the influential", and (b) allows nitwits to then sketch in their own idiotic connections (putin = stalin = MR seamas milne = chairman alph etc)
*unhelpful not least bcz it gets such breathless traction from ppl who actually aren't themselves terrible on the badness of our media (like peter jukes)
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link
It might also indicate that Boris has bitten off more than he chew in his quest for Number 10 and started playing with forces over which he has minimal control - as opposed the ones where he does like a largely supine British press. I definitely wouldn't rule out stupidity here.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:07 (four years ago) link
One nation Tory strongholds - the isle of sodor , Brensham, Kembleford; and the last one living might well be uncle Quentin.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
You only have to look at the front pages of the Telegraph, Mail, Sun, etc, to know there is a coordinated effort by the rich and influential to make Johnson PM.
I don't disagree with this, but Boris has been runaway fav from day one, the RW press want to back a winner early, and right now the alternative is Hunt. Its difficult to see why they would be any different, its backing the strongest horse. What will they get from Boris that they won't get from Hunt?
― anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
chaotically unexpected copy
― mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
hunt only delivers "ludicrously unexpected copy"