also much better than the old dub
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
did y’all know episode 4 was not part of the original sequence? iirc it was produced later in the run. and yet i can’t imagine the show without it. that scene with misato and shinji at the train station is the heart of the show
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 02:07 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/zCl1HWg.jpg
― Mordy, Sunday, 23 June 2019 02:15 (four years ago) link
<3
― Simon H., Sunday, 23 June 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
This Is Just To SayI haven’t watchedthe anime You won’t Shut up about Forgive meThere’s so little time And I just Don’t care— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) June 21, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 June 2019 05:25 (four years ago) link
morbs no one wants you to watch this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 05:42 (four years ago) link
iirc Labuza didn't finish The Return either
― Simon H., Sunday, 23 June 2019 06:01 (four years ago) link
The landscape stills in ep 4 are really beautiful.
― jmm, Sunday, 23 June 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
Also love that panning urinal shot
― jmm, Sunday, 23 June 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
interesting take on the new translation
Babysitter Super Sleuth @ SomethingAwful posted this regarding the Netflix Evangelion dub and khara's involvement with the localization in general. pic.twitter.com/kRIAblHHQi— Tactical Shitposting Action (@fooly_cooly) June 23, 2019
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 23 June 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
"cutting out all the memorable adlibs from the first dub"
excuse me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
Just finished my series + EoE rewatch. OK ready for 3.0+1.0
― Simon H., Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
interesting twitter thread but do i wanna trust someone named "babysitter super sleuth"
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
i don't actually mind translations like "the first children" to refer to Shinji alone if it does capture some of the ambiguity of the original language since i could easily imagine that sort of choice being intentional or representing the vision of the original language
― Mordy, Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
the thing is that 1. that's technically what they're saying 2. there are english titles for every episode and one of the episodes is called (iirc) "fourth children"
but also the insistence that the english translation refer to them as second child/third child etc. actually came from gainax at the time (iirc, this is sourced from my extremely distant memory of the commentary tracks on adv's release of the platinum edition)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
i'll also say that (given my extremely basic understanding of japanese from studying it in college) the netflix translation... is not strict
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
I didn't mind the weird translation bits. If anything they only serve to enhance the unreality/enhanced-reality of it all.
― Simon H., Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
so far my biggest issue with it is changing "the three stooges" to "the idiot trio"
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
episode 16 is the goddamn best
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 June 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
im 6 eps in, never watched before. I'm enjoying it but thus far it's kind of a piece with other mecha anime series i've seen. but the larger backstory hasn't been delved into and there's not been much in the way of religious imagery or what have you.
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
yeah, the first half of the show definitely plays much much more like a conventional giant robot show (albeit maybe with more mood and bleak angst). might be appropriate to think of it as basically the hook to draw in casual TV viewers on its original run... like if Twin Peaks started out as an even more conventional detective procedural or w/e.
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
yeah it's def very moody. i just am thinking like, mobile suit gundam. 15 year old amaro ray has a distant relationship from his mech inventor father, his mother stayed on earth when he went to side 7, he's a bit of a social outcast who keeps himself to himself and lives alone etc. in the first episode he ends up piloting his father's mech creation against the enemy. amaro is more grumpy and aggro than shinji but otherwise they are pretty similar
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 June 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
amuro even
So at the end of the one episode where Asuka and Mitaso visit a hot spring, Mitaso tells her not worry over something about her past... is this reference intentionally vague or did I miss something?
What I like so far (and I'm about 13 or so episodes in) about the series is that it keeps its plot moving briskly. That and its sudden eructations of the weird.
― Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
the reference is intentionally vague, it gets thoroughly explored later
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
i'm almost done and i think i dislike this new translation, but my overall feeling is that it could've been way worse (cf. the recent translation of sailor moon crystal which is just syntactically terrible empty garbage). the occasional exchange is very strong (most of the misato/kaji dialogue) but there's something v... basic about it (overwhelming fidelity to japanese grammar resulting in recurring awkward uses of "that [noun]") and sometimes the grammar is pretty tortured. (again the only way i would be satisfied with a translation of evangelion is if they let me do it or at least edit it)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
The thing that's so amazing to me about the ending(s) - without spoiling anything for anyone who's not there yet - is the way the seeds for the EoE ending are planted with specific split-second insert shots only explained in EoE. They're lightning-fast, but without them you could easily have made the argument that the EoE ending was made up out of whole cloth as a reaction to the backlash from the series ending.
― Simon H., Monday, 24 June 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
the subtitles fell a second or two behind when I was watching episode 2 yesterday morning (I'm evidently not up for binging this rn) and I was like "y'know this is fine"
― don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
i had dub and subs on for a bit and they're not the same. not sure which is better. my brother's japanese is pretty good and he's a huge nerd so i should ask him, but he's kind of busy with his first child immanent
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
i've been impressed with what i've seen of the dub so far. obv derived from the same translation but it feels pretty natural
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
also my criticisms of the translation are super super personal and a result of being a huge nerd about this show for 20 years so they should be taken with a grain of salt
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
the dub is good. all the anguished screaming is on point.
― Simon H., Monday, 24 June 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
I found it interesting to keep the english subs and dub on at the same time to see how they diverged
― Simon H., Monday, 24 June 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
yeah that is my main litmus test for the dub: can shinji's voice actor really fuckin scream? in this case, yes
xp
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
I've been watching with subs, and as far as Japanese-translated stuff goes I don't have major complaints. The only thing is that sometimes the dialogue goes by pretty quickly, and I've had to rewind a couple times to read what it sez.
― Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
lmao the new translation reinstated one of my favorite lines from the very first adv release (i can't say what it is but it's in episode 22 re: asuka), for all its clumsiness the emotionally damaging moments are sold well
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link
ok i can't believe they mistranslated the final episode title. again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_that_Shouted_Love_at_the_Heart_of_the_World
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 00:16 (four years ago) link
late pass, should i assume i should try this?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
if you enjoy anguish and/or giant robots, yes
― Simon H., Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
if you like anime it is one of my top 3 of all time but if you have an aversion to the genre it's definitely an anime
― Mordy, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
it's super post-modern anime on top of that. but definitely one of the greatest.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
oh no, i love anime! It's just been many years since I tried something new; this came out maybe two or three years after I stopped watching actively.anguish and giant robots ahoy i suppose
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
i have three episodes to go and i just read a random tweet about elon musk which i think might have spoiled a major plot point :O
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 10:07 (four years ago) link
Mordy, what are the other two in your top three?wondering what other things fans of this rate highly. I pretty much stopped with anime after seeing this, apart from the odd Ghibli.
― maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
maffew definitely give serial experiments lain a shot
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
haha wow.. seen that. Hadn't crossed my mind in ages. Same era isn't it?
― maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link
it premiered two years after eva but yes, it is the other major mindfuck anime of the era. holds up really well and got a lot of things right about the internet and the development of computer technology
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
Right on, I'll pop it on again sometime.btw not necessarily looking for a similar vibe to Eva. Just interested what else might get recommended here on a non-anime forum. Stop me if it's too off topic.My other big one has been Orange Road. I'll stick it on basically for the music sometimes. I remember people loving the music in Cowboy Bebop but it never grabbed me.
― maffew12, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
if you haven't seen it, haibane renmei is a great midpoint between like... lain and miyazaki. lain's character designer wrote it iirc
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
also anyone who loves this show will have the best time watching flcl
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link