no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

morbs otm

really happy to see DJP's posts again

I just want to point out that for many non-white people, what you are calling “Trumpism” has been a Thing in this country for centuries

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, June 21, 2019

As a non-white person myself, I have to keep reminding people that shit don't change.

not sure why he

I find it genuinely bemusing that people deliberately choose to do this

US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

note that it took less than two weeks after said election for the government to raid the private home of one journalist and then the largest news organisation in the country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s not deliberate, people just copy the links they’re given. I try to strip off tags personally so I get where you’re coming from, I just think it’s strange that you choose to address it in such a weird opaque manner

sic knows a lot of things, you shouldn’t talk ill of them!!!

copy deliberately, paste deliberately, click "submit post" deliberately

(trackers aside, message boards have existed for 25 years and etiquette has always been to not post giant walls of gibberish and to edit quotes for relevance.)

think it’s strange that you choose to address it in such a weird opaque manner

more than fair, but you have to admit it's less opaque than people deliberately choosing not to read their own posts

(xpost I know almost nothing of any value, and crutis wasn't talking ill, but it's totally reasonable to talk ill of me honestly, or be maddened by my posting. anyway how about those politics???!)

Orange Grifter said "Make Iran Great Again" today

so the Shah left descendants?

THE SHAH SLEEPS IN FRED TRUMP'S GRAVE

Here’s a state Republican Party endorsing countermajoritarian violent intimidation to achieve a political end. https://t.co/hqFanaPkf4

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 23, 2019

something really fucked up is happening in Oregon

https://www.apnews.com/1a3dd1c7c6424a4f9b71226e3d5c7e32

The Oregon governor is having state police attempt to round up AWOL Republican state senators. I had no idea that ever happened! Apparently it's not unprecedented, though.

I remember when that bunch of Democratic senators in Texas fled to Oklahoma to break quorum... it worked that time.

The escaping I've seen before, but the involvement of militias would be something new to me. But there doesn't actually seem to be any militias in that photo?

little more context:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/oregon-statehouse-shut-down-after-lawmakers-flee-team-up-with-right-wing-militias

it's a nice little potential preview of that moment when the national GOP finally officially partners up with the militias to stand their ground after an election they badly lost but blame on voter fraud from migrants (a lie they've been telling for decades now, priming the pump for the Big Lie)

https://i.imgur.com/HFSJ3PZ.jpg

... GOOD MOURNING

can't wait for the sympathetic NYT interviews with militia members

I doubt they’re even going to put it on the front page. It’s been fucked up for half a week now

I'm reading news that the Oregon GOP-tweeted photo is NOT of the capital rally?

https://thinkprogress.org/oregon-gop-tweets-out-the-wrong-photo-claiming-heavily-armed-militia-lays-siege-to-the-capitol-3e8941d5c6ea/

Actually i think they were being sarcastic and suggesting the Dems closed the capitol due to peaceful protesters.

That is of course a lie though

From Daily Beast:

“Gov. Brown, you want a civil war, because this is how you get a civil war,” the Oath Keepers wrote on their public Facebook page. Beneath the post, Oath Keeper fans suggesting hanging, arresting, or taking up arms against Brown.

The only good thing, if this threat were carried out, is that these fringe militias would lose that war very, very badly and be expunged from US politics. The very bad thing is that people would die needlessly because of their stupidity and intransigence.

and the other good news: more martyrs whom the right can canonize

I wouldn't wish for the death of militia members outright but mourning period would be nanoseconds long

So fucking committed to wrecking the planet. Pathetic.

Who exactly would they be fighting against? Would Trump send in the military against these very good people?

He'd send Jared.

these fringe militias would lose that war very, very badly and be expunged from US politics

Well, that would be so in normal times, but remebr the Malheur refuge occupation? Y'know Trump pardoned the original instigators, right?

I'm not seeing trump sending the nat'l guard in to subdue his voters

“Send bachelors and come heavily armed,” Sen. Brian Boquist, a Republican from Dallas, said late Wednesday as the prospect of a walkout loomed.

Trump pardoned the original instigators, right?

Not entirely accurate. The Hammonds, who were pardoned by Trump, did not request the Bundys to come to Oregon on their behalf, let alone ask them to instigate an armed takeover of the Malheur refuge. They duly submitted themselves to re-incarceration on the day the court stipulated. They did thank the Bundys for wanting to help them, but issued a statement during the occupation that the kind of help the Bundys were giving them was not the sort of help they needed.

That said, Trump's pardon for the Hammonds was a clear dog whistle to the militias.

Somebody sent Axios a huge trove of vetting documents on people who got jobs in the Trump administration despite being white supremacists, insanely corrupt, etc., etc.

Here's a clip of Chris Christie reading Trump's file on him, and talking about the fuckery that went on with hiring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKlEFJBjI2k

you simply love to see it

NEW: @BernieSanders will on Monday propose canceling the *entire* $1.6 trillion in U.S. student loan debt, escalating Democratic policy battle

Key coauthors: @IlhanMN and @RepJayapal

Paid for by Wall Street transaction tax, paired w/ free college billhttps://t.co/LUyARIN7Ec

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) June 24, 2019

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/e-jean-carroll-trump-rape.php

Why the low play? It could be a case of fatigue. We are hit so often with claims of Trump’s misconduct—and liberals, at least, have such low expectations of him—that horrifying allegations lose their shock value and slide off. Deeper forces are likely at work, too: as the writer Molly Jong-Fast asked on Twitter, “Is the misogyny so baked in that we no longer treat allegations of rape seriously?” It’s not a new question. Ahead of the 2016 election, CJR’s Pete Vernon interviewed Lucia Graves, a reporter with The Guardian, about the muted reaction to her interview with Jill Harth, who accused Trump of groping. Graves, who was “extremely frustrated” that other outlets did not pick up Harth’s claim, said it took the Access Hollywood tape for the allegations against Trump to dominate the news cycle. “I think it’s so remarkable that Trump had to literally say every single one of those things to another man, and people had to hear it recorded before people believed the story that has been out there for months,” Graves said.

Whatever the reason, it’s astonishing that Carroll’s allegation isn’t ubiquitous in our news media this morning. Its relative absence is doubly surprising when you consider that the #MeToo moment—with its brilliant reporting on Harvey Weinstein and so many other abusive men—has arguably been the biggest story of the Trump era not to centrally feature Trump. Somehow, Trump escaped accountability at the height of that moment. It looks like that’s happening again.

Trump escaped accountability, too, during his 2016 campaign. Over the weekend, Carroll told CNN that she didn’t come forward with her rape allegation back then because other women were already saying “similar things.” Besides, she added, “I picked up very quickly that it was helping him, not hurting him.” We all bear some responsibility for that.

Someone's gunning for Susan Collins.

Maine state House speaker Sara Gideon is running against Sen. Susan Collins, one of Senate Republicans’ most vulnerable incumbents in 2020.

The Democrat, who had long been expected to run but was waiting until the end of the legislative session, announced her candidacy in a video Monday morning.

“Susan Collins has been in the Senate for 22 years,” Gideon says, mentioning Collins for the first time nearly two minutes into the video. “And at one point, maybe she was different from some of the other folks in Washington. But she doesn’t seem that way anymore.”

Gideon highlights Collins’ vote for the GOP tax overhaul, and the video includes footage of President Donald Trump thanking Collins. The last thing Gideon mentions is Collins’ vote for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SEiNdtO7mE

small potatoes but I wish we could permanently ban all politicians from using the word "folks."

I like Sara Gideon

small potatoes but I wish we could permanently ban all politicians from using the word "folks."

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, June 24, 2019

it especially grated when Obama used it.

as shitty as it is this grates a lot more when nonpoliticans use it in casual connversation instead of "people"

with pols it's as obligatory as lapel pin / weird thumb pointing

Friendsh...

small potatoes but I wish we could permanently ban all politicians from using the word "folks."

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, June 24, 2019

it especially grated when Obama used it.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 24, 2019 11:27 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as shitty as it is this grates a lot more when nonpoliticans use it in casual connversation instead of "people"

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, June 24, 2019 11:29 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

folks this is some bullshit I can’t get behind

Folks is a monosyllabic gender and nationally inclusive term it is the best word

also it sounds enough like "fucks" that you can use it with people you dislike and feel like you're getting away with something

folks this is another great point

disgusting savagery

I get more annoyed by pols dropping "The American People..." every other sentence