The Day the Music Burned

(yes, they can, and they should)

Good luck extending eminent domain to recordings; I’ll be watching the cases with interest.

it won't happen, but stop being so obtuse. of course the govt can seize private property.

I don’t think I’m the one being obtuse here, lol

My suggestion is that the government bails these guys out and BUYS the masters at an obscene premium (with 50-70% to be divvied among artists) but with limited reproduction rights. Effectively a national archive.

Cheap at a billion and better use than another stealth bomber but certainly not a priority for this administration.

xxp

fair enough, I just think there's plenty of existing precedent for this kinda thing as forks notes, but that assumes willing parties on all sides which is not exactly the case here from what I see

and on the legal side I guess this is more related to forfeiture, ianal

or yeah, what forks just said as well

And here we go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/business/media/universal-music-fire-lawsuit.html

yay!

(?)

Oh it's a definite yay, believe me.

BREAKING: Class action complaint against Universal Music Group filed in U.S. District Court in L.A., in response to 2008 fire that destroyed master recordings. Plaintiffs: Tupac Shakur’s Trustee, Hole, Soundgarden, Steve Earle, Jane Petty (Tom Petty’s ex-wife). pic.twitter.com/5zrNSunFYs

— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) June 22, 2019

Interesting list of initial artists... makes me realize that those Hole and Soundgarden albums never have been reissued. (OTOH, the 2010 deluxe ed. of Petty’s Damn the Torpedoes was supposedly “Digitally remastered from the original analog master tapes”... of course that’s just one Petty album.)

There's deluxe Soundgarden reissues of Badmotorfinger and Superunknown.

... although maybe not from the original tapes.

Re:Tom Petty--I wonder if this is why they stopped his reissues with Long After Dark?

xp Really (re: Soundgarden)? I had checked on Amazon before posting (maybe not very well?)

Yup.

https://www.discogs.com/Soundgarden-Badmotorfinger/release/9434237

https://www.discogs.com/Soundgarden-Superunknown-Super-Deluxe/release/5790240

Both appearing in the last five years.

Yep, found it now on Amazon. $249.99 (Prime eligible!)

You think they may have an email trail of the band saying, “Why don’t we use the original masters?” and the label saying, “Uh, we’ll use a better-sounding tape...”

XP There are less-deluxe editons out there as well. A Superunknown double-disc was among the last domestic releases in that line.

FWIW, I have the single-disc Damn The Torpedoes from 2010, and it sounds great!

So are the plaintiffs suing for damages or do they want to void their still-existing contracts or are they demanding a return of the masters or all the above? Or is it not clear as of yet?

i mean, i see the damages listed but i'm curious if they can argue for breach of contract? do record contracts promise to maintain viability of masters in any way?

i am a bit naive about this element of the industry so please be gentle

Since they did 5.1 mixes of those two Soundgarden albums, you would think UMG had access to multitracks.

OTOH, nothing's happened w/Louder Than Love and Down On The Upside (and Cornell's Euphoria Morning), so...

Some of the lawsuit might be about loss of revenue streams. Take Hole for example: Deluxe Editions were never done for Live Through This & Celebrity Skin, even though there probably was a market for them, and most likely lots of out-takes, B-Sides, live stuff, demos etc. that could have been bundled into reissues. If those materials were destroyed, there's no incentive to do reissue of albums one can find pretty easily used or in a bargain bin.

Since they did 5.1 mixes of those two Soundgarden albums, you would think UMG had access to multitracks.

Yeah, I was thinking/wondering that same thing. (I searched around a little and didn’t find anything explicitly saying/claiming that the original masters were used...)

One more thing about Hole: The second disc of LTT already came out as a Europe-only release called My Body, The Hand Grenade in 1997. It's also the only official Hole comp ever released on physical media.

i mean, i see the damages listed but i'm curious if they can argue for breach of contract? do record contracts promise to maintain viability of masters in any way?

I’ve never seen a recording contract, but my guess (just a guess) is that they don’t say anything about how masters will be stored... or, at most, maybe some make a reference to something like “the customary standards of care in the recording industry.” (Total speculation here)

Anecdotally I've socially known two very successful indieish recording artists who owned their own master tapes of at least one album. They both kept them in piles of household miscellany, and one left hers behind when she moved out of a shared apartment and happily was able to reclaim it years later from the ex-roommate who was still there and hadn't bothered to toss it out.

Stories like that remind me of this: I Am The Proud Owner Of The Original Master Tape Of Color Me Badd's "We Can Do The Nasty"!!

We have an update, sadly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-list-umg.html

Note that the loss of the Cadet/Cadet Concept masters by Terry Callier, Rotary Connection, Marlena Shaw and Phil Upchurch et al also meant the destruction of virtually all the major works of a hero of mine who’s not on the list: the genius producer/arranger Charles Stepney. https://t.co/qX6fNCBR3N

— Andy Zax (@andyzax) June 25, 2019

https://blog.discogs.com/en/the-discogs-top-50-best-selling-records-of-april-2019/

It’s bullshit. This is all bullshit, and you all know it. Look at it. Look at this. Reissues of reissues and barrel scrapings by faded artists of years past. It’s as if the great music of the world burnt up in some big fire {link to NYT article} and there just wasn’t enough to go around anymore. We let this happen. This is our fault. We let a tiny handful of individuals take away our collective musical heritage, bribe our government representatives to ensure we’ll never get it back, and they burnt it. We did this when we bought the same old trash over and over and over. You should be angry. Be angry right now. Do better, damn it. Stop supporting this trash and self-release and support independent artists and labels.

conflating a few different things there and being very hyperbolic, but ppl are mad about this!

This part of the story is so unnecessarily petty, it’s hilarious

The letter-grade rankings provide a snapshot of UMG’s marketplace wisdom circa 2010 — judgments that, at times, favor top-sellers with thin discographies over historically significant figures and critically-lionized innovators. Captain and Tennille, Chuck Mangione, Whitesnake, Sublime, White Zombie, Nelly Furtado and the Pussycat Dolls received A ratings. Les Paul, Merle Haggard, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Alice Coltrane, Captain Beefheart, the Neville Brothers and the Roots were given Bs.

How dare UMG think they might sell more copies of Sublime than Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

This paragraph address a point made above (re: Neil Young):

UMG’s own lists present riddles. Documents show that the company believed it had lost recordings by one of music’s most zealous audiophiles, Neil Young — whose website offers high-resolution versions of his complete discography, presumably sourced from the original masters. It is unclear if the Young recordings thought by UMG to have been destroyed were safety copies of the four albums he recorded for Geffen in the 1980s or outtakes from the sessions for those albums, or if UMG officials were simply mistaken about Young having had material in the backlot vault.

It really is stunning how much better off we’d be right now if Pono had taken off

scrolling through that list took an eternity.

we are truly in the worst timeline.

This happened in 2008, how far back are you looking to retcon?

Oh word, you are right

Look at it. Look at this. Reissues of reissues and barrel scrapings by faded artists of years past.

I wonder if Young's people didn't acquire/rip copies of the Geffen recordings for the Archives at some point before the fire (possibly when assembling Lucky 13 back in the early '90s)?

Surprised Randy Newman isn't on the list for Bad Love at least, given his Dreamworks contemporaries (Wainwright and Furtado) showing up here.

Bad Love Burned (But He Don't Know It)

38 Special
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Nat Adderley
Aerosmith
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Manny Albam
Lorez Alexandria
Gary Allan
Red Allen
Steve Allen
The Ames Brothers
Gene Ammons
Bill Anderson
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Asia
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Terry Callier
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Glen Campbell
Captain and Tennille
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Hoagy Carmichael
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Richard Carpenter
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Mama Cass
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Cheech & Chong
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Petula Clark
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Tompall Glaser
Tom Glazer
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Lee Greenwood
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Johnny Hartman
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Roy Haynes
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Don Henley
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Woody Herman and His Orchestra
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John Hiatt
Al Hibbler
Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks
Monk Higgins
Jessie Hill
Earl Hines
Roger Hodgson
Hole
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Buddy Holly
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Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr.
Van McCoy
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The McGuire Sisters
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Jane Morgan
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Johnny Nash
Nazareth
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Rick Nelson & the Stone Canyon Band
Ricky Nelson
Jimmy Nelson
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Aaron Neville
Art Neville
The Neville Brothers
New Edition
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Olivia Newton-John
Night Ranger
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Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
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Red Norvo Sextet
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Oingo Boingo
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Jackie Paris
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Ray Parker Jr.
Dolly Parton
Les Paul
Freda Payne
Peaches & Herb
Ce Ce Peniston
The Peppermint Rainbow
Pepples
The Persuasions
Bernadette Peters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
John Phillips
Webb Pierce
The Pinetoppers
Bill Plummer
Poco
The Pointer Sisters
The Police
Doc Pomus
Jimmy Ponder
Iggy Pop
Billy Preston
Lloyd Price
Louis Prima
Primus
Puddle Of Mudd
Red Prysock
Leroy Pullins
The Pussycat Dolls
Quarterflash
Queen Latifah
Sun Ra
The Radiants
Gerry Rafferty
Kenny Rankin
The Ray Charles Singers
The Ray-O-Vacs
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Emitt Rhodes
Buddy Rich
Emil Richards
Dannie Richmond
Riders in the Sky
Stan Ridgway
Frazier River
Sam Rivers
Max Roach
Marty Roberts
Howard Roberts
The Roches
Chris Rock
Tommy Roe
Jimmy Rogers
Sonny Rollins
The Roots
Rose Royce
Jackie Ross
Doctor Ross
Rotary Connection
The Rover Boys
Roswell Rudd
Rufus and Chaka Khan
Otis Rush
Brenda Russell
Leon Russell
Pee Wee Russell
Russian Jazz Quartet
Mitch Ryder
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Joe Sample
Pharoah Sanders
The Sandpipers
Gary Saracho
Shirley Scott
Tom Scott
Dawn Sears
Neil Sedaka
Jeannie Seely
Semisonic
Charlie Sexton
Marlena Shaw
Tupac Shakur
Archie Shepp
Dinah Shore
Ben Sidran
Silver Apples
Shel Silverstein
The Simon Sisters
Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons
Zoot Sims
P.F. Sloan
Smash Mouth
Kate Smith
Keely Smith
Tab Smith
Patti Smyth
Snoop Dogg
Valaida Snow
Jill Sobule
Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Sonny and Cher
The Soul Stirrers
Soundgarden
Eddie South
Southern Culture on the Skids
Spinal Tap
Banana Splits
The Spokesmen
Squeeze
Jo Stafford
Chris Stamey
Joe Stampley
Michael Stanley
Kay Starr
Stealers Wheel
Steely Dan
Gwen Stefani
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Billy Stewart
Sting
Sonny Stitt
Shane Stockton
George Strait
The Strawberry Alarm Clock
Strawbs
Styx
Sublime
Yma Sumac
Andy Summers
The Sundowners
Supertramp
The Surfaris
Sylvia Syms
Gábor Szabó
The Tams
Grady Tate
t.A.T.u.
Koko Taylor
Billy Taylor
Charlie Teagarden
Temple of the Dog
Clark Terry
Tesla
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robin Thicke
Toots Thielemans
B.J. Thomas
Irma Thomas
Rufus Thomas
Hank Thompson
Lucky Thompson
Big Mama Thornton
Three Dog Night
The Three Stooges
Tiffany
Mel Tillis
Tommy & the Tom Toms
Mel Tormé
The Tragically Hip
The Trapp Family Singers
Ralph Tresvant
Ernest Tubb
The Tubes
Tanya Tucker
Tommy Tucker
The Tune Weavers
Ike Turner
Stanley Turrentine
Conway Twitty
McCoy Tyner
Phil Upchurch
Michael Utley
Leroy Van Dyke
Gino Vannelli
Van Zant
Billy Vaughan
Suzanne Vega
Vega Brothers
Veruca Salt
The Vibrations
Bobby Vinton
Voïvod
Porter Wagoner
The Waikikis
Rufus Wainwright
Rick Wakeman
Jerry Jeff Walker
The Wallflowers
Joe Walsh
Wang Chung
Clara Ward
Warrior Soul
Washboard Sam
Was (Not Was)
War
Justine Washington
The Watchmen
Muddy Waters
Jody Watley
Johnny “Guitar” Watson
The Weavers
The Dream Weavers
Ben Webster
Weezer
We Five
George Wein
Lenny Welch
Lawrence Welk
Kitty Wells
Mae West
Barry White
Michael White
Slappy White
Whitesnake
White Zombie
The Who
Whycliffe
Kim Wilde
Don Williams
Jody Williams
John Williams
Larry Williams
Lenny Williams
Leona Williams
Paul Williams
Roger Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson
Walter Winchell
Kai Winding
Johnny Winter
Wishbone Ash
Jimmy Witherspoon
Howlin’ Wolf
Bobby Womack
Lee Ann Womack
Phil Woods
Wrecks-N-Effect
O.V. Wright
Bill Wyman
Rusty York
Faron Young
Neil Young
Young Black Teenagers
Y & T
Rob Zombie

NEVER HEARD OF uh wait

Joe Jackson and The Four Tops. :'(

Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons

That's weird about Joe Jackson, because Intervention Records has been doing vinyl reissues of his A&M stuff "From The Original Tapes".

You know, the original cassette versions.