The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel - The Tory leadership elections

xp what if the protester had actually been a rabid wolf? what about THAT?

Not sure about this: Field is seen here being rough, but noisy disruption of big speech by low carbon Minister is also a mild form of violence. Greenpeace likes to have its cake and eat it. Very Boris ! https://t.co/B3bz4dAhvj

— MichaelWhite (@michaelwhite) June 21, 2019

The spectrum of violence starts with being uncivil is clearly one of the themes of the summer.

Or a Middle Eastern male. Field's self-defence claims would suddenly appear more 'credible' in some quarters. He wouldn't have even felt the need to publicly apologise.

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How has he not been sacked yet?

Cos they know who votes for them.

grabbing women by the neck is free speech

I don't see how he wins an election unless Farage stands aside completely, not just where there are no-deal MPs. And standing aside completely is untenable for Farage

Because we're in the UK and it's full of right wing cunts?

Greenpeace protestor was wearing a provocative sash, who is the real aggressor here?

I was reading some pseopholgist Twitter thread yesterday that suggested the Brexit Party could split the vote to such an extent you could see some weird anomalies like strongly Leave areas being represented by LibDem MPs (I guess maybe in the South West?)

It also analysed the 100 or so most marginal seats and on average they aren't especially Brexity (almost exactly 50/50 Leave Remain vote). So a campaign that focuses entirely on Brexit could go very badly for the Tories.

psephology? *drake looking glum*
phrenology? *drake going yay*

Dread to thing what a phrenologist would make of Mark Francois's head.

Hah, psepholgist.

but noisy disruption of big speech by low carbon Minister is also a mild form of violence

*&^$^*%$&(*

So this:

I feel like we're still waiting for this crisis, which is 30 years in the Conservative Party's making, to genuinely and permanently harm the Conservative Party

— Will Davies (@davies_will) June 20, 2019

Is pretty true. I think some of the posts (including Zelda nd NV outlining scenarios for the next few months) saying Boris can win speak to that.

Zelda's a-e has some unexamined assumptions, namely on how good Boris will he at executing anything like a strategy. Making Brussels look bad given his bluster and no negotiating skills could be difficult. He will be given all the help by the media but so was May, and Johnson could turn out to be even more incompetent than her.

And then a lot rests on no deal being a winner with the public instead of a loud, fringe position for people who want Brexit. We are also assuming the Brexit party will do whatever Farage says and that indepedent 'Brexit' candidates won't spring up all over should they not stand as a party at a GE. Or that other issues aren't going to matter or come into play in a normal election. That's not just the NHS but some skeletons hiding away for the guy personally, and what he says - maybe post-Trump we think nobody cares but I doubt this all has gone away as a thing.

Because we're in the UK and it's full of right wing cunts?

Who can't be relied on to vote Conservatives unless Farage steps out the way

I feel I'm not following you here - Peterborough was a Labour hold, but one where 6% of the BP votes going to the Tories* or 10% of the Tory votes going to the BP, would have been a loss.

Where Con/Brexit party combined get more votes than Labour but Labour wins the seat

Fundamentally, this is not about giving the public what they want, it's about turning the UK into the US (Singapore if you're lucky) and Johnson, Farage, their business benefactors and the press are all pushing in the same direction. I'd be surprised if the Brexit Party exists by the time of the next election, if it does, i think it'll be polling under UKIP's last GE numbers.

I think 2017 has changed the assumption that these peple automatically get what they want.

agree with that but share some of SV’s nervousness around the prospects of a BJ led tory party in a GE, particularly when current polling shows 4 parties on roughly 20%. you’d have to think that the BXP vote is much more elastic than that of the LDs and so CONs could welcome a large part of their vote back into their coalition.

would that coalition win a GE under FPTP tho? I don’t know

all the things comrade alphabet highlights as potential free radicals w/in a GE are valid (though I doubt if NF collapsed the BXP infrastructure independents with any electoral valency would spring up). BJ is poison in scotland so you would expect the pro-union pro-remain vote to go to LDs, which would mean goodbye to 12 scottish tory MPs. I gather he is very divisive outwith the SE too... will cameroonian social liberals be welcomed back into the fold? highly unlikely if they campaign on NDB

Osborne is supporting Boris btw - Tories are all about power and winning elections, fuck the rest of it.

Yeah the vision SV outlines doesn't have anywhere near widespread public support and could indeed whip up a lot of hostility. Doesn't mean the country won't get it forced down their throats anyway.

Good to know that Osborne's conduct over the last three years has all been about personal revenge on May and nothing to do with Brexit really.

Osborne is supporting Boris btw - Tories are all about power and winning elections, fuck the rest of it.

Not saying this isn't true but Osborne was not supporting May. I'm sure the editorial on 2017 was vote Tory but he undermined her premiership every step of the way.

Did I say anything that remotely suggested that ? No. I merely suggested that there was fault on both sides. Noisy disruption in an era of nihilistic terrorism must have been scary

— MichaelWhite (@michaelwhite) June 21, 2019

"on both sides" - wonder who else talked like this.

You'd be tempted to think m white was going senile if he wasn't being such an obvious disingenuous twat.

Remember the time he faced off against Giles Coren on twitter?

This one is going for Tom D's heart:

I am sure @LibDems will prefer @BorisJohnson for Tory leader. Anyone who betrays friends, colleagues and national interest so easily can betray the #NoDealBrexit headbangers, delivering #Referendum and Exit from Brexit. I agree with @George_Osborne on this

— Vince Cable (@vincecable) June 21, 2019

ah, remember the good old days when Lib Dems pretended they didn't care who the leader of the Tory party was?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoSy0jSXsAEqeW2.jpg

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lols, missed this one at the time

is that a real giles coren tweet? giles coren is good now?

no

Don't even know who GC is, but still lolled at screen grab of dubious tweet. Sign of the times!

The car is on fire.

1) Johnson: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

2) Hunt: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/21/blood-scandal-victim-family-accuse-jeremy-hunt-breaking-promises

where I live this could be mistaken as a calculated boris propaganda coup!

When contacted by the Guardian on Friday, police initially said they had no record of a domestic incident at the address

hmmm

Clear labour will push this tomorrow

let's take the politics out of domestic abuse

Send in Mark Field to deal with her.

He sure did: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/21/greenpeace-activist-mark-field-needs-anger-management

She said Field’s anger shocked her; it was palpable in his voice and grip. “The pressure on my neck never eased all the way down the stairs and until we were outside.” The inside of the top of her right arm was still red on Friday morning.

putting a nasty..nasty, extremely narcissistic and overindulged egomaniac like Boris in a box and only letting him out when you think he is schooled to might be good short term tactic at hiding his ugliest extremes of behaviour and complete lack of discipline from con party members (who mostly wouldn't care anyway unless he let it slip he would compromise on NDB). But as a long game (going in to a GE campaign) it is doomed to failure imo.

BBC News now has a 'security expert' on, saying that Mark Field was only doing what many people would have done. He praises Field: 'he didn't kick or punch her.'

— Mark Berry 🇪🇺 (@boulezian) June 21, 2019

whole political/current affairs dept needs liquidating ... not meant in any kind of metaphorical sense either.

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leader of the conservative muslim forum drawing a comparison between boris and hitler on the today programme. lovely stuff

EXC: The Conservative Muslim chief has been expelled from the Tory Muslim group. Mohammed Amin tells me he has been expelled following an intervention by CCHQ because he criticised the 'moral integrity' of Boris Johnson: https://t.co/5pkY2JR1C2

— Shehab Khan (@ShehabKhan) June 21, 2019

I was sitting outside the pub doing the crossword today (still part of my lunchtime routine even though I'm on the wagon at the moment) and an elderly man came up to me today and said 'I really fucking hate the Tories'. Which is a pretty risky move in St Andrews. An ex-CofE minister too.

I hope you're all ready for the point when Johnson wins comfortably despite all this because it's going to be fucking dispiriting.

Well, I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
*Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily*
Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

— "Mr" Eats The Sticker on the Apple (@BronzeHammer) October 2, 2016

Just took elderly man to pub for crossword, he’s registered ex-CofE. In a very loud voice he said, “I really fucking hate the Tories” A look of consternation went up from a waiting St Andrews pedestrian

I hope you're all ready for the point when Johnson wins comfortably despite all this because it's going to be fucking dispiriting.

― Matt DC

I'm at a loss as to why whatever 'all this' even is would have any bearing on his victory

At this point he could be found with a dead girl, a live boy, and a slightly wounded goat and still walk it.

Remember when Tories had to resign when their boyfriends got found with a plastic bag over their head and a slice of orange in their mouth?