Gerald Malanga and Joan Baez could do... some sort of dance.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
Aargh Gerard!
BTE
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
Sorry, meant to put that on the Miles thread.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Saw it for a second time last night. I'm just not bothered by the fake stuff--I think it's funny that I was so badly fooled. (VG above said it's easy to spot Sharon Stone as fake. I gotta disagree--unless you know about Michael Murphy/Tanner (I did), and you join the dots from him to Stone (I didn't), I don't know why you'd doubt the legitimacy of what she says--it's such a definitive '70s story.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour, not a Rolling Stone reporter, and the modern-day actor is a different guy?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
the filmmaker fooled meI think it was the thing of him directing the Shocking Blue video, such a random reference I guess I didn't think they made it up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
The Shocking Blue detour was totally convincing! I mean, who think to have that as part of a fake resume?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink
I don't know that the Revue could have handled another shit-talking moody grump
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour,Why wouldn’t that be Ratso?
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Ratso was there and wrote a book about it.
― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
Okay, but I read something that included him--along with Van Dorp, Stone, Murphy, and the promoter--as part of the ruse.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
I read something like that as well. Oh wait, it was posted by you.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
Had me going for a long time, longer than I’d care to admit.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
Thought maybe Ratso was pretending to be Bob to some Plymouth residents and you were taken in too.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
Recently learned that Joan Baez gave him that nickname, I believe.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
Also google image search of Gerard Malanga is - surprise!- NSFW.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jksNntjfFiE
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
Ratso has gone, out in disguise
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
Driving the bus, I walk the line.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
I drove it for a little while,I like to drive RVs
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
Hahaha
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
S. Stone's story was annoying and ridiculous considering it's a fake and why did they bother making it up etc.But if I had not known it was a fake I would have believed it was real (and still annoying !).
The filmmakaer, on the other hand, was so obviously fake to me. And also useless. But I suppose that's the idea !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 20 June 2019 08:34 (four years ago) link
Ronno has left, the Spiders from MarsAllen G’s hat, has stripes and starsI played guitar a little whileI love to pick for Bobby Z
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 June 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
/Rolling Thunderthighs Inevitably
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 June 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
Isis was incredible, I was hanging on every word there.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 20 June 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
i am 6 discs into the box set now (Harvard Square show is where i am up to iirc) i am SO over “Hurricane” but conversely, cannot get enough of “Isis”lively version of This Land Is Your Land closing out Harvard Sq was A+ live shows definitely more enjoyable than the rehearsal discs, but i am not a huge fan of rehearsal-listening in general bob & joan singing together is magic, i love it
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 June 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
Something I read prompted me to include Ratso in the fakery, but I must have misread whatever it was.
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 June 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7WQbIu3qI
― If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 June 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
Ratso’s a real guy who seems like a fictional character. (His book about the tour is worth reading, if you run across a dog-eared copy somewhere.)
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
wgaf about ratsoBig D looks absolutely possessed during these performances. The close ups are horrifying
― calstars, Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
Lol, otm.
― If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:42 (four years ago) link
Ratso’s more interesting than any of “Marty’s” Hollywood buddies pretending they were on the tour.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
idgaf abt ratso myself
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 June 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
late to this, finally finished last night
Impressed that he remembers all those lyrics
― calstars
yep, I thought this as well, I think Joan even mentions "I wouldn't remember all those words" when she & Bob are talking abt "Hattie Carroll"
I loved the Sharon Stone bit cuz it could have been true
Dylan sings with such confrontational intensity on this, like he's really got something to prove, I don't think it was just the coke (which was clearly all over the place just off-screen)
― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
I also wondered if "Coyote" was written abt Ratso given the conversation he relates right before that footage
― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
Joni had higher standards maybe? Well maybe not?
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
I always thought Coyote was p obviously about Sam Shepard? if you feel the need for literal/autobio interpretations (I generally don't)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
think it's sam shepard. though there is a pretty hilarious lengthy argument/interview with joni in ratso's book.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
Yeah who cares
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
oh god keep your greasy paws off Joni, Ratso!!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
Isn’t “fat man in Paris” also about ratso?
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
Ginsberg at the very end was by far the best thing about the entire movie.
― john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Saturday, 6 July 2019 03:41 (four years ago) link
Uhhh, did you see the other Ginsberg stuff?
― circa1916, Saturday, 6 July 2019 07:06 (four years ago) link
Yeah, but those last few lines (and Joni Mitchell singing) were the most lovely and inspiring parts of the whole 2+ hours. Beautiful.
― john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
Yeah I also enjoyed that breezy yet meaningful sermon at the end. But man the David Cross resemblance is jarring
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 7 July 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
I was amused by the scene where Ginsberg tried to use the Cowboys & Indians wax figures as a kind of “teachable moment” for some young kids, and they quickly outsmarted him / overturned his schtick.
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:26 (four years ago) link
(Actually I think it was “Pilgrims & Indians” — a Thanksgiving tableau)
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
The Joni scene playing Coyote isn't just the highlight of the film, it's best thing that's going to be in any film this year.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
Watched this last night and don't have anything really original to add. But, fwiw: I loved it, basically, especially the gig at Lightfoot's and especially especially Joni (she nicks this, as she does The Last Waltz); also loved the bridge club and the gig at the reservation. I love all of the live stuff but probably the biggest revelation was Hattie Carrol - especially Ronson's incongruous gurning and soloing. Dylan's teeth give me the heebie-jeebies, as does his driving. I've always been pretty anti-Baez, finding her out of her depth, and vaguely feeling that Dylan is taking the piss out of her but she's a strong presence in this (dancing like she's auditioning for the Doors movie, aside) and I could have watched more of her. The 'fakery' doesn't really work as fake or as real so I'd jettison it altogether.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link