Scorsese's movie about Dylan

I think some people are annoyed because, weirdly and despite him always seemingly actively working against it, for a lot of people Dylan is seen as Mr Auteur Genius Singer Songwriter - Mr Authentic who is writing true things about truth - the guy who influenced a million boys to badly busk Blowing In the Wind to make them seem poetic. and thats obviously in direct contrast to fake pop posers - who couldn't possibly express truth. that notion of authenticity was totally alien to music fans before the 50s - nobody gave a fuck who wrote a song or whether it really reflected that persons "truth" - the PR / self-creation of "Dylan" was totally a spearhead for the creation of that aura - and I enjoy the fact that he's always recognised it and questioned it. I forget which book i read on this but it tied that trend to the transition from disposable 7" singles to the (more profitable) album "as artistic statement".... I guess Its important for journalists/think piece writers to play into that narrative because it brings validity to writing about pop songs and can let some of them feel better about making a living doing clickbait top 10s and recaps. If a guy like Dylan suddenly says "lol fuck that this is all a bunch of lies" its no wonder some of them get pissed off.

feel free to rearrange that stream of consciousness into something that makes sense though?

Freewheelin' jamiesummerz

https://external-preview.redd.it/eck3BUOhERZnWiO5HUWWJIjoFGB8zX0qtoLLoeQ9Y_0.jpg?auto=webp&s=75762613954c9158f46c8ba534a1dde96454f457

The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it.

Lollin throughout though whenever Ronson appears

Still wistfully imagining the picking in the parallel universe revue of Ronno and Reed on say, “Satellite of Love.”

I can totally hear how Dylan singing Satellite of Love would go

Ha, I was just hearing that in my head as well.

The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it.

He kind of went for something similar during his wandering the wilderness years, right? When he was touring with the Dead and later Tom Petty? Kind of hitching his wagon to someone else's scene, taking the pressure off for a while (fittingly, when he was probably least deserving of attention, too).

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

xp:
There are these little pauses in the vocal that fit his phrasing:
Satellite’s gone... way up to MARS!

Feel like if Lou was there it would only be fair to invite Nico as well.

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

but de-SPIIITE of all the am-pu-TAAA-tions

xp:
There are these little pauses in the vocal that fit his phrasing:
Satellite’s gone... way up to MARS!

Nope

but maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCjAIWg36c

Gerald Malanga and Joan Baez could do... some sort of dance.

Aargh Gerard!

BTE

Sorry, meant to put that on the Miles thread.

Saw it for a second time last night. I'm just not bothered by the fake stuff--I think it's funny that I was so badly fooled. (VG above said it's easy to spot Sharon Stone as fake. I gotta disagree--unless you know about Michael Murphy/Tanner (I did), and you join the dots from him to Stone (I didn't), I don't know why you'd doubt the legitimacy of what she says--it's such a definitive '70s story.

The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour, not a Rolling Stone reporter, and the modern-day actor is a different guy?

the filmmaker fooled me
I think it was the thing of him directing the Shocking Blue video, such a random reference I guess I didn't think they made it up

The Shocking Blue detour was totally convincing! I mean, who think to have that as part of a fake resume?

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink

I don't know that the Revue could have handled another shit-talking moody grump

The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour,

Why wouldn’t that be Ratso?

Yeah, Ratso was there and wrote a book about it.

Okay, but I read something that included him--along with Van Dorp, Stone, Murphy, and the promoter--as part of the ruse.

I read something like that as well. Oh wait, it was posted by you.

Had me going for a long time, longer than I’d care to admit.

Thought maybe Ratso was pretending to be Bob to some Plymouth residents and you were taken in too.

Recently learned that Joan Baez gave him that nickname, I believe.

Also google image search of Gerard Malanga is - surprise!- NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jksNntjfFiE

Ratso has gone, out in disguise

Driving the bus, I walk the line.

I drove it for a little while,
I like to drive RVs

Hahaha

S. Stone's story was annoying and ridiculous considering it's a fake and why did they bother making it up etc.
But if I had not known it was a fake I would have believed it was real (and still annoying !).

The filmmakaer, on the other hand, was so obviously fake to me. And also useless. But I suppose that's the idea !

Ronno has left, the Spiders from Mars
Allen G’s hat, has stripes and stars
I played guitar a little while
I love to pick for Bobby Z

/Rolling Thunderthighs Inevitably

Isis was incredible, I was hanging on every word there.

i am 6 discs into the box set now (Harvard Square show is where i am up to iirc)

i am SO over “Hurricane” but conversely, cannot get enough of “Isis”

lively version of This Land Is Your Land closing out Harvard Sq was A+

live shows definitely more enjoyable than the rehearsal discs, but i am not a huge fan of rehearsal-listening in general

bob & joan singing together is magic, i love it

Something I read prompted me to include Ratso in the fakery, but I must have misread whatever it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7WQbIu3qI

Ratso’s a real guy who seems like a fictional character. (His book about the tour is worth reading, if you run across a dog-eared copy somewhere.)

wgaf about ratso
Big D looks absolutely possessed during these performances. The close ups are horrifying

Lol, otm.

Ratso’s more interesting than any of “Marty’s” Hollywood buddies pretending they were on the tour.

idgaf abt ratso myself