rolling explaining conservatism

No elevator in America has ever been or will ever be broken.

Current Austrian government a coalition between well-known socialists, the People's Party and the Freedom Party.

life on earth is bribery

is that why you want the tax returns?

liberals are fundamentally perfidious and want to destroy us and our way of life. it is actively dangerous to trust anything they say. in order to protect ourselves from this existential threat, we have to be willing to do to them all of the things we know in our heart they want to do to us, and we have to do it first, before it's too late. self-defense is never wrong, so while some of the things we have to do would be wrong under other circumstances, we are just Standing Our Ground, which is not only blameless but morally necessary.

"Imagine killing an unarmed child and then suing his parents." https://t.co/fwWXwNOMZf

— 🎄⛄️ Eoin Jinglins ⛄️🎄 (@EoinHiggins_) December 4, 2019

not so much an explanation as a distillation

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/03/its-the-spirit-of-the-age-jared-kushner-edition

Conservatives in general, and in particular the white evangelicals who make up Trump’s base, hate expertise because their world view is a farrago of magical thinking that wouldn’t stand up to ten seconds of actual critical scrutiny, which is why they take great care to avoid that experience at all costs.

The modern conservative movement holds these truths to be self-evident

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/coronavirus-trump-dhs-undocumented-workers-essential.html

good article, too bad i agree with the hopeless conclusion

more of the same being available is not quite hopeless. but to get change we do have to demand it be changed, and must be able to elect persons to do that. otherwise it will actually get much worse. we won't shrug and settle will we?

Read this in the Amazon reviews of Amanda Marcotte's book "Troll Nation," and I think it is a great summary of the current "conservative" mindset:

1. Trolling is destructive to discourse (agree)
2. Trolling does not provide a coherent political vision for reform (agree)
3. But you ignored the main issue: why (really) do Trump and his followers troll? And the answer is not hatred.
It's a tactic to destabilize the tenuous parasitic leftist coalitions that are built on a dizzying array of incompatible grievances against imagined enemy institutions. These enemies of leftists include most of the most stable, successful institutions that make civilization possible: religion, capitalism, meritocratic education and commerce, strong national defense, controlled borders, and solvent government spending. The incessant attacks on these institutions by the left are largely encouraged by the DC establishment and most state and local governments, and the result has been failure of safety, solvency, competence, and sanity. Leftism causes parasitic failure across the board. To defend leftist policies on merit is impossible, so the left decided the primary tactic for persuasion should be defamation, intimidation, and even criminal extortion, persecution, and assault. So the right has had enough, and has decided, symbolized by and led by Trump, to assail the leftist establishment with criticism, skepticism, insults, and challenges to their authority and power at all levels. Like in any street fight, you can't win if you aren't willing to use the tactics your enemy is willing to use. So the right trolls, because the left smears. As long as the left smears and commits crimes to further their agenda, the right will troll and be willing to stop those crimes with equal or greater force. That is why the right trolls. Not because of your imagined telepathic detection of deep seated Nazi hatred, but because your leadership are a bunch of parasitic communist thugs who aspire to totalitarian tyrannical rule, and deserve trolling.

Third part just seems lifted straight out of Trump Jr's book.

built on a dizzying array of incompatible grievances against imagined enemy institutions

more goddamned projection

I can't read that shit

conservativism basically just means being a dick and enjoying it, or pretending to enjoy it idk

HENLEY: Well, yeah.

Typical response from the Left

xp

i wish i hadn't chosen that fucking name

On my Facebook today: You hate the truth. Very few still telling it, Hannity is one of them.

As succinct as it gets. To believe it is to be conservative.

Why do they troll? “The answer is not hatred.”

The subsequent paragraph describes in depth a hatred and contempt for left ideology, and the use of trolling as a tactic to sink it?

To clarify, I’m not saying that the paragraph identifies leftist ideology with any clarity or rigor—just that it details hatred pretty specifically.

Yeah, I see hella hatred in that last paragraph. But it's "the truth" and I hate the truth.

otm

"Leftism causes parasitic failure across the board," but it's not like I hate it.

Lotta handwaving about the ills of leftism.

it definitely explains why people who cannot stand the mildest of criticisms flock to Trump

"But that doesn’t matter to his supporters, because consequences don’t matter, and consequences don’t matter, because there’s always a way of escaping accountability when intellectual dishonesty is the lens through which one engages the world. What matters is impulse, urge, appetite, an itch, and other neurological bliss points."

https://stoehr.substack.com/p/trumps-ersatz-phallic-exercise

Ersatz Phallic Exercise is, coincidentally, the name of my Zappa tribute band.

Heard this Frank Wilhoit quote via the “Know Your Enemy” pod and it’s pretty perfect:

“There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

Woman shouts 'I still love sharks' after being attacked by one https://t.co/DsuxLcwenW pic.twitter.com/5jq8ZTwkn1

— New York Post (@nypost) July 16, 2020

https://pics.me.me/i-am-going-to-a-eat-you-nih-he-tells-4516847.png

^ tells it like it is

IF aliens are real, salvation through Jesus Christ is the only way they enter Heaven. #txlege

— Jonathan Stickland (@RepStickland) July 24, 2020

i am one degree of separation from that guy, he's as big a joke as you might imagine per my source

Jesus Christ is technically an alien.

true, just like...superman

Tweets that perfectly match the profile pic

Thread:

I saw a tweet where someone described that when they find out someone they know personally supports Trump, they lose all respect for them instantly. I liked it and retweeted it, but stopped short of sharing it on Instagram.

Why?

1/x

— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) August 28, 2020

I was like 'who is this random woman' and then I looked her up lol

that thread is absolutely majestic.

That is a fantastic thread, and of course the first response I read is some handwringing "oh but how can you win them over if you block them?" crap from somebody I can only assume hasn't read or hasn't understood what she wrote

idk is she communist enough tho ;)

I lol'd @

I want to see you shunned by every person and organization that doesn’t support Trump. No more access to their books, movies, products, music, events, artists & influencers — till you are left with nothing but Smashmouth concerts, and Ben Shapiro talking about his sex life.

Its a win-win, as they want to be blocked

i quibble about calling him a child rapist -- it's an allegation and an uncertain one, unlike the clear case of him raping ivana.

i got pulled into another argument with my father-in-law. i’m usually able to find some things we agree about, and close the conversation off that way. he’s got brainworms. he watches hours of toxic conspiracy videos on the reg. it’s that particular french mix of anti-elitism, anti-semitism, and heady conspiracy theory. the rothschilds used to figure frequently. the whole family hates it. but they are pretty good at deflecting. maybe registering mild disagreement but then changing the subject. he often doesn’t want to. “je t’explique” and “laisse moi finir” are the usual phrases. his wife pleads: “jacques....” we usually end up agreeing that big business is out to screw the little guy and that you can’t trust the government.

this time it was chloroqui-however the fuck you spell it. it’s been “banned” because the companies who stand to profit from a vaccine want to corner the market on a cure. journalists won’t report on it because they’ve either been paid off, or because they’re state broadcasters whose bosses are in cahoots with the vaccine companies.

i’m a trained journalist who works for a state broadcaster. i’ve had COVID. but more than all that, i’m just not accepting the bullshit anymore. this bullshit will get people killed. i should have just done what i always do. but i couldn’t. it made him very angry. he became 3000x more entrenched than he does normally (which is quite entrenched). it was completely counterproductive. it changed nothing. my wife wasn’t there, thank god, but my 11-year-old son kept telling me to stop engaging. he was kind of scared about the fever pitch. my FIL gets very worked up. he was yelling. and i matched him. my 8-y-o went into the other room and laid down on the couch. they’d never witnessed me involved in anything like that. they’d seen my FIL do this plenty of times of course, with other members of his family. i think of it as very french. i feel sort of fucked up about it. on the one hand, i feel stupid, and i’m not happy that i helped create this awful scene for my kids to witness. on the other hand, i have just had enough of going along and pretending to agree, or that i don’t agree but it’s benign. it’s not benign. i don’t agree. i’ve had enough. i’m totally shaken up. my insides feel fucked, my head hurts.

sorry for the vent but i feel like this thread is one of the only places all of this will be appreciated.

There's a madness, a hateful angry madness, which I believe is almost entirely on one side of the political "spectrum" and all the toleration and patience and reasonableness comes from the other side, our side, and tbh Trace I'd rather just shut up and let it lie and not get into it with the hateful side but when you're close enough to one of them thru family or friendship you end up in these situations. It sucks, it sucks to stand up to it when you just want to keep peace, but fuck it it really is them not you and we've all got a breaking point. I know how sour and shitty it feels after one of these confrontations but I'm certain you have nothing to feel bad about.

yeah, i very much sympathize with all that, tracer and noodle. and what i've been struggling with lately is the aftermath of things like that, when you realize it didn't make a difference. how do you resume after that? in some ways i admire the willingness of some argumentative people to just drop it and move on. not all of them do, of course, i know. tracer, is your FIL the kind of person that will just pretend like it didn't happen? or is it a new grudge for him to hold?

tracer, on your behalf i'm gonna say fuck your FIL

Sorry to hear that, TH, it's a truly gruelling experience and there is no end in sight. For what it's worth, my own French FIL, whom I thankfully haven't seen in years, has also gone off the deep end since the start of the pandemic and his talking points are almost identical to those you just mentioned.

Hydroxychloroquine, prescribed by le bon docteur Raoult, a martyr in the struggle against the international medical dictatorship that holds sway over us all, from ocean to ocean and continent to continent, is the obvious panacea here, which is why it's being actively suppressed by the very pharmaceutical companies that are behind the French government's decision to stop reimbursing homeopathy and other natural remedies, which would have prevented this whole debacle in the first place, yet Covid-19 is of course a harmless virus, no more lethal than the seasonal flu, and was designed as such by the sinophobic CIA, whose agents have incidentally wiretapped our respective phones, not that it matters anymore, for he is no longer afraid of speaking truth to power (*yells a string of obscenities at Bill Gates, who is also presumably listening in*) and he certainly will not be voting for the Socialist mayor of his town again, who is complicit in this compulsory face mask wearing business, which has muzzled us, yes, muzzled us and reduced us to so much cattle, and he will never go see a doctor for his prostate despite the increasingly more debilitating urinary problems he has been experiencing now that he is in his 70s, despite the alarming look on his GP's face the last time he consulted a medical professional, almost five years ago now, Raoult's book is quite excellent by the way, I suggest you read it too if you wish to understand what's really going on before we all get press-ganged into accepting the Microsoft vaccine.

And so on, a never-ending logorrheic stream. To be fair, however, none of it fits into this thread per se, since his brainworms are of the far-left variety and thankfully free of antisemitic elements. But it's absolutely exhausting, and my wife has gotten into at least one spectacular screaming match with him over the phone in recent months. I don't blame her (or you) in the least! Nor do I think keeping your cool at all costs should ever be an objective when such bunk is being spewed, especially in a 'Latin' (broadly speaking) context such as this one ('agree to disagree' has no exact equivalent in French).

yeah raoult is the guy my FIL talks about too. this is his “proof” which trumps everything else.

thanks for your words folks. i feel so dumb and worn out.

he is totally the kind of person who will forget about this argument tomorrow, which is a blessing. anything like that on my side of the family would be brooded on for weeks and probably remembered for years.