Fleabag

you don't? every character is constantly asking her not to make it all about her.

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:21 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her problems seem to be that she is too funny, too beautiful, and more hip than everyone else, according to everyone in the show

I didn't feel that way but I do get it.

Brad: Examples are how Fleabag's sister gets mad because she came up with a great joke, or how her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was.

oh yeah, I forgot that bit.

"her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was" <---definitely the behavior/perception of a healthy/well-adjusted person and trustworthy narrator

Are you saying she made that bit up? It didn't seem to me that the show was trying to (on top of all of its other clever storytelling devices) portray her as an unreliable narrator of the story. She is definitely an unreliable narrator in her asides to the audience, but I figured that we were supposed to trust that the things which happen on-screen actually happened.

considering her most private feelings are reserved for her mother's memory, it seems defensible to argue that maybe she's choosing to redirect what her funeral was like. but I'd need a rewatch to assess this idea.

I think it's pretty clear we're seeing everything from her perspective - her asides to the audience don't happen like Shakespearean soliloquies, they are right in the action, so it seems when she turns back to the action she is acting her life out for the audience. And everyone in her orbit is a sort of caricature, an essence of how she sees them.

Well then forget I said she was narcissistic!

Don't let me ruin Ferris Bueller for you all, but he's a little self absorbed too.

Zelda otm

To be clear, I still loved the show! To those rushing to defend PWB - don’t worry - she clearly understands how funny and beautiful she is.

her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was.

When I watched it first, II got the impression it was that everyone was telling her how beautiful she looked on that particular day, as if she normally looked like shite, but now, on this day when she is suffering more than she ever has before, she suddenly looks beautiful. It was like the opposite of everyone telling you that you look tired, as if you can do anything about that, or it's supposed to help. But I agree that it could also be that this is the only thing people said to her that she remembers. Which does confirm her narcissism, but not in a way I have a problem with.

The first season she also has a moment where she's walking down the street and telling the camera how amazing she looks and how the next person who walks by will definitely make a pass at her, and they don't, and it comes across as self-deprecating and endearing but underneath is clearly some fairly standard narcissism bordering on delusional!

my "ya'll, what otm" was that this was a primary facet of her character that leads to a lot of her "struggles". I only get annoyed with narcissistic characters if they aren't entertaining and attractive.

xpost I loved the funeral beautiful comments.

having gone to a few funerals lately, the bit where she actually looks great at a funeral was really painful

people saying you look well, especially if you’re part of the deceased’s immediate family, is this nicety people lean back on. you probably look stressed, maybe tear-stained, and broken

actually looking great to the extent people are clarifying that they’re not just using the funeral script... oh god

that is to say, painful in a great way as far as the script goes!

the number one best thing about this series is that the mother never shows up in flashback being played by lindsay duncan or fn tilda swinton

hahaha

lol

feel like she woulda played her own mother in that scenario

just watched Crashing. boy that was....actually kind of terrible for the most part!

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all.

I wasnt a fan of s1 - I found it hard to get past how hateful everyone was, esp the stepmother and Claires husband (ugh, his angry smug face and that beard make my skin crawl).

S2 turned it all upside down. As she says in the very first line "this is a love story". And it was. Not just about her and the Priest, but about her and her sister, her and her dad, her and the memory of her mum.

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy?

ilxor altar boy crew assemble

ouch.

there was a lively debate regarding the creepiness, many disagreed with the thesis, it was mostly men because ilx is mostly men

Most of the disagreers were women. I just thought it was curious.

“Inadvisably / extremely fuckable” is Andrew Scott’s wheelhouse.

let the record show i’ve never said he was creepy

He was too lost and befuddled to be creepy.

Yeah, not creepy at all (maybe people project his other charachters on this one).

Hated Season 1 (only made it halfway) but have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Season 2.

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all.

Not all men.

Although, I didn't think he was creepy all the time. Just the time he got so turned on by her crying in the other side of the confession box that he lost control of himself. That was creepy.

hum. yeah ok, if you consider the ethics of his position, that was definitely out of line...

I read it as weakness rather than pre-meditated creep though.

Yeah same, on both their parts. Dont get me wrong, I'm with Mandee on this - what they were doing was Wrong (hes a priest, sex for him is basically Cheating on God). But it was hawt, and he had a real charm. I loved it every time he saw through her asides.

Which reminds me: is the idea she was talking to god? At one point at the end I thought maybe it was her mother, given she glanced down at the T&A statue, then back up/out to the audience with a sad smile.

you wait till you can hire the electric scooters. menace.

/Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all./

Not all men.

Although, I didn't think he was creepy all the time. Just the time he got so turned on by her crying in the other side of the confession box that he lost control of himself. That was creepy.

that “moral trust hocked cheaply” bit may be where a specifically *male* envy comes in potentially making unfair judgments - to Trayce’s thought. to what extent that drives or taints the more general observations i made above, i’m not sure. not much is my immediate feeling.

Wow I love this show. I hoovered the first season on a flight and immediately subscribed to the appropriate service so I could watch it again with my boyfriend when I got home.

I cannot think of any “best actress” who I would compulsively watch anything in which she appears but Olivia Coleman is it.

Her speech about “the show is not about sex... it’s about power” was so chillingly perfect that I gasped and paused and massaged my temples for a couple minutes

Also Moriarty is extremely hot, he could wreck my fourth wall any time

I was taken aback at the moment in s2 when something actually happens between them because there's a formulaic way that unravels in drama/comedy and there's something I can't put my finger on about how this show broke that convention. As if the plot resolved how they didn't need to hook up, and then dropped it immediately after?

I am just now watching this and the opening to s1e2 is incredible

Just you wait for the s2 premiere.

v disappointed she signed with amazon.

the backlash begins here!

enh all the major streaming giants are varying degrees of evil. netflix is doing all they can to tamp down creatives' pay rates for example

every entertainment company since the dawn of man has done whatever it can to reduce the amount it pays talent, I'm not sure that's here or there?

if ISIS offered same-day delivery & streamed a snappy comedy abt millennials ppl wld shrug "eh, all countries are borne of violence"