This guy attempted to kill a lot of people, my main empathetic response is relief that these people are still alive, and concern with how they're dealing with what must still be a very scary and traumatic situation. And concern with the very many people who live in fear of right-wing hate crimes, and how this story must be triggering to them. These are who my empathy immediately go to, and if schadenfreude and cynicism is how people deal with this, then that's pretty ok by me.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
after christchurch, we learned that there were message boards where people were mostly pro- the shooting.
this person seems to have been part of a similar online subculture (right wing meme whatever).
is the fbi watching these places? should they? if it wasn't a messageboard but a treehouse where people were encouraging each other to do these things, wouldn't it get raided immediately?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
are you asking if the fbi should be monitoring message boards where people plan and/or celebrate terrorist acts is that a thing you are asking
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
i think they should i guess. and it should be treated the same way as like ISIS.com if it existed
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
and i also think at some point these need to be seen as terrorist attacks and not just as isolated madmen. the last few of these guys seemed to have similar beliefs.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
i wish youd make your mind up the guys are in the trucks, they're oitta the trucks, theyre back in the trucks, its a fair set-to waiting on ya
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
well, as soon as i make up my mind we'll have swift action because i'm king of america, let me be clear
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
seriously though, i feel that we are under attack and it's not being acknowledged. these aren't isolated incidents.
the fbi already does monitor messageboards where people regularly discuss terrorist acts
this is completely against protocol, but i am agent m, fbi. the m stands for maloney. that's not a typo, my username here is heavily inspired by my real surname, but also the letter y. i am here to monitor this messageboard, and i can tell you that because i believe we've all built up a measure of trust here through the years
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/
they're online sucking hard
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
https://pm1.narvii.com/6859/979863998a8539739fc64e0703cc26273f0fe01ev2_hq.jpg
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
holy shit its the feds
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
If that is real ogmor that is the stupidest possible way for the fbi to monitor that board
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
fbi doesn't have the directive (or budget) to worry abt white terrorists
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/01/when-fighting-domestic-terrorism-you-get-what-you-pay-for-antisemitism-far-right-countering-violent-extremism-jihadists/
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
I mean there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, which are we talking about here
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
wtf is that drawing? it's unnerving af!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
Infuriating. Anyway, I think the media should call these shootings terrorist attacks. They’re not isolated, they are some kind of sick social phenomenon, and many times the shooter is driven by right wing ideology.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/28/reports-shots-fired-at-gilroy-garlic-festival/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 July 2019 03:24 (four years ago) link
at least three dead according to the NYTat a garlic festival, wtf
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 July 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link
this breaks my heart. every one of these breaks my heart, but this one is close to home. for as many years as I've lived in the bay area I've never been to the Gilroy Garlic Festival, but it's a beloved and longstanding institution. I think the combination of locale and proximity have borne down on my fundamental sense of despair at the idea that these things will ever change. It just feels like gun violence is close at hand, wherever we are in this country, even though intellectually I know it's unlikely.
shooter was a 19 year old kid, angry, as always. christ, when will any of it change
sorry for the ramble.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 29 July 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
The Gilroy shooter has been identified as Santino William Legan, 19. His instagram was just taken down, but before it was, I saw a post from the festival right before the shooting that said "Read 'Might Is Right' by Ragnar Redbeard," which is a misogynist white power manifesto.— Amanda Duarte (@duarteamanda) July 29, 2019
does it just go without saying at this point
― frogbs, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
below-the-scroll local news on the times page, gotta talk about the president's racist sTrAtEgY first
― j., Monday, 29 July 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
about a month ago I was thinking, will something like this happen where I grew up and my parents still live? ... yesterday it did. So horrible and surreal. I always felt kinda misanthropic when I would do the requisite community volunteer shifts at the Garlic Festival, but like ... actually killing people? It's just, yeah, this bullshit is everywhere.
― sarahell, Monday, 29 July 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
xxp - lol Amanda and I went to grade school together ... she is great.
Ragnar Redbeard
ffs. Straight out of the 19th century, to boot.
― pomenitul, Monday, 29 July 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
clearly the act of a modern day Viking to shoot a 6 year old outside of a bouncy house ...
― sarahell, Monday, 29 July 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
Welp
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/index.html
― i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 August 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
I thought the fact that everyone is armed in Texas would prevent these prayerworthy tragedies from happening?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 3 August 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
reports are murky, anywhere between 3 and up to over 20 people killed.
― omar little, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
no need to know it all now, just let it get sorted out
― j., Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
And we know the routine. White male, no or few serious past offenses, a computer full of alt-right agitprop.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
So what you're saying is… build the wall?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
jfc my friend is down there doing immigration stuff and was told to shelter in place
― gbx, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
Reportedly, there's a manifesto.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
This invariably reminds me of the Second Surrealist Manifesto (1930): 'The simplest Surrealist act consists of dashing down into the street, pistol in hand, and firing blindly, as fast as you can pull the trigger, into the crowd.'
― pomenitul, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
"And we know the routine. White male, no or few serious past offenses, a computer full of alt-right agitprop." do we know this yet? I haven't seen anything other than that the shooter was male.
― akm, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
He's white from the sounds of things
― gbx, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
I wrote that above knowing nothing about suspect.
But there's a journalist on the case, the manifesto is easily found, matches details of the shooter's weapon, and its vile. Christchurch copycat.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 3 August 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
19 dead it appears
― omar little, Saturday, 3 August 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ahqCLRz.png
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 August 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
Vice is reporting one white male, 21, taken into custody.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a35w7a/multiple-people-killed-in-a-mass-shooting-at-a-walmart-in-el-paso-texas?utm_source=dmfb&fbclid=IwAR0lqb4NguIjyqun1CNDf6Pe67k3BQboj04W5NYQqOn2kIPCr34yzcoWM-o
― nickn, Saturday, 3 August 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stochastic_terrorism
― pomenitul, Saturday, 3 August 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
found manifesto, exactly what you'd expect including the deflections about 'dont' blame Trump'. The thing about all this shit is: ok, so you have views on immigration. they are extreme and I don't 100% agree with them, but let's say there's some legitimate issues in there. why is the solution shooting a bunch of fucking random people? fucking run for office or some shit.
― akm, Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
Decades of popular culture in which guns provide the solution? I can't watch the stupid cop dramas my family likes because this is the unspoken ideology in every action finale. Left, Right or Center, this idea that guns are appropriate tools for resolving lazy plots is just pervasive in American culture.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
true
― Dan S, Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
I don’t know what that shit has to do with this kind of shooting but ok
― brimstead, Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
Oh here we go, Governor of Texas going on about "mental health issues".
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
He's such a total asshole, and very well-loved here, it's a disaster.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 3 August 2019 23:56 (four years ago) link
the gov should take a ride in a limo with a Kennedy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
an Oldsmobile sedan might work too
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link