Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

you can repel them with stuff that's inherently political, like the frankfurt school

lol

it's funny cause it's true

i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, June 17, 2019 3:11 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This guy played his own death for laughs! the least we can do is oblige him

you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED

This is question-begging of the worst sort.

Also any prospective mass shooter who doesn't take the time and prep to tape together up-down-up jungle clips is in fact a dipshit.

This guy attempted to kill a lot of people, my main empathetic response is relief that these people are still alive, and concern with how they're dealing with what must still be a very scary and traumatic situation. And concern with the very many people who live in fear of right-wing hate crimes, and how this story must be triggering to them. These are who my empathy immediately go to, and if schadenfreude and cynicism is how people deal with this, then that's pretty ok by me.

after christchurch, we learned that there were message boards where people were mostly pro- the shooting.

this person seems to have been part of a similar online subculture (right wing meme whatever).

is the fbi watching these places? should they? if it wasn't a messageboard but a treehouse where people were encouraging each other to do these things, wouldn't it get raided immediately?

are you asking if the fbi should be monitoring message boards where people plan and/or celebrate terrorist acts is that a thing you are asking

i think they should i guess. and it should be treated the same way as like ISIS.com if it existed

and i also think at some point these need to be seen as terrorist attacks and not just as isolated madmen. the last few of these guys seemed to have similar beliefs.

i wish youd make your mind up the guys are in the trucks, they're oitta the trucks, theyre back in the trucks, its a fair set-to waiting on ya

well, as soon as i make up my mind we'll have swift action because i'm king of america, let me be clear

seriously though, i feel that we are under attack and it's not being acknowledged. these aren't isolated incidents.

the fbi already does monitor messageboards where people regularly discuss terrorist acts

this is completely against protocol, but i am agent m, fbi. the m stands for maloney. that's not a typo, my username here is heavily inspired by my real surname, but also the letter y. i am here to monitor this messageboard, and i can tell you that because i believe we've all built up a measure of trust here through the years

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/

they're online sucking hard

https://pm1.narvii.com/6859/979863998a8539739fc64e0703cc26273f0fe01ev2_hq.jpg

holy shit its the feds

If that is real ogmor that is the stupidest possible way for the fbi to monitor that board

fbi doesn't have the directive (or budget) to worry abt white terrorists

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/01/when-fighting-domestic-terrorism-you-get-what-you-pay-for-antisemitism-far-right-countering-violent-extremism-jihadists/

I mean there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, which are we talking about here

wtf is that drawing? it's unnerving af!

Infuriating. Anyway, I think the media should call these shootings terrorist attacks. They’re not isolated, they are some kind of sick social phenomenon, and many times the shooter is driven by right wing ideology.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/28/reports-shots-fired-at-gilroy-garlic-festival/

at least three dead according to the NYT
at a garlic festival, wtf

this breaks my heart. every one of these breaks my heart, but this one is close to home. for as many years as I've lived in the bay area I've never been to the Gilroy Garlic Festival, but it's a beloved and longstanding institution. I think the combination of locale and proximity have borne down on my fundamental sense of despair at the idea that these things will ever change. It just feels like gun violence is close at hand, wherever we are in this country, even though intellectually I know it's unlikely.

shooter was a 19 year old kid, angry, as always. christ, when will any of it change

sorry for the ramble.

The Gilroy shooter has been identified as Santino William Legan, 19. His instagram was just taken down, but before it was, I saw a post from the festival right before the shooting that said "Read 'Might Is Right' by Ragnar Redbeard," which is a misogynist white power manifesto.

— Amanda Duarte (@duarteamanda) July 29, 2019

does it just go without saying at this point

below-the-scroll local news on the times page, gotta talk about the president's racist sTrAtEgY first

about a month ago I was thinking, will something like this happen where I grew up and my parents still live? ... yesterday it did. So horrible and surreal. I always felt kinda misanthropic when I would do the requisite community volunteer shifts at the Garlic Festival, but like ... actually killing people? It's just, yeah, this bullshit is everywhere.

xxp - lol Amanda and I went to grade school together ... she is great.

Ragnar Redbeard

ffs. Straight out of the 19th century, to boot.

clearly the act of a modern day Viking to shoot a 6 year old outside of a bouncy house ...

Welp

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/index.html

I thought the fact that everyone is armed in Texas would prevent these prayerworthy tragedies from happening?

reports are murky, anywhere between 3 and up to over 20 people killed.

no need to know it all now, just let it get sorted out

And we know the routine. White male, no or few serious past offenses, a computer full of alt-right agitprop.

So what you're saying is… build the wall?

jfc my friend is down there doing immigration stuff and was told to shelter in place

Reportedly, there's a manifesto.

This invariably reminds me of the Second Surrealist Manifesto (1930): 'The simplest Surrealist act consists of dashing down into the street, pistol in hand, and firing blindly, as fast as you can pull the trigger, into the crowd.'

"And we know the routine. White male, no or few serious past offenses, a computer full of alt-right agitprop." do we know this yet? I haven't seen anything other than that the shooter was male.

He's white from the sounds of things

I wrote that above knowing nothing about suspect.

But there's a journalist on the case, the manifesto is easily found, matches details of the shooter's weapon, and its vile. Christchurch copycat.

19 dead it appears

https://i.imgur.com/ahqCLRz.png

Vice is reporting one white male, 21, taken into custody.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a35w7a/multiple-people-killed-in-a-mass-shooting-at-a-walmart-in-el-paso-texas?utm_source=dmfb&fbclid=IwAR0lqb4NguIjyqun1CNDf6Pe67k3BQboj04W5NYQqOn2kIPCr34yzcoWM-o

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stochastic_terrorism

found manifesto, exactly what you'd expect including the deflections about 'dont' blame Trump'. The thing about all this shit is: ok, so you have views on immigration. they are extreme and I don't 100% agree with them, but let's say there's some legitimate issues in there. why is the solution shooting a bunch of fucking random people? fucking run for office or some shit.