Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/defence-jeremy-corbyns-brave-and-lonely-stand-calls-war-against-iran

makes u think

Super thrilled to announce that "Did #Austerity cause #brexit?" has just been accepted for publication at the @AEAjournals in the American Economic Review. Short thread on whole paper available here https://t.co/FxYwKmz3Ik... pic.twitter.com/bG79ERnCTH

— Thiemo Fetzer (@fetzert) June 17, 2019

really should make some people think, but fucking melts seem to equate anti-austerity with populism (the bad version) because idk austerity isn't as bad as the lefty commentariat/UN rapporteur says it is .. it's fucking luxury here compared to romania blah blah.. well so say people lacking the imagination or experience to know what it is like to have fuck all.

loooooooooool at this chart

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fucking hell

Raab’s going to win, isn’t he?

Come on you gotta love that chart. Bet Seumas does!

That bar chart will surely rank with the 9/11 photographs as the defining image of the century.

if they're willing to accept the breakup of the UK, the destruction of the Tory party and 'significant damage to the UK economy' as a price worth paying to get brexit then what do they think PM Corbyn's going to do that's worse? (maybe they think that 'significant damage to the UK economy' will mostly affect ppl who aren't them, whereas Corbyn will be coming specifically for their money? or do they really believe he's going to put everyone who reads the Telegraph in gulags or something?)

or Corbyn will be coming specifically for their money AND giving it to people they dislike, they would rather see everyone suffer

Of course they believe Corbyn would come for their money!

All other outcomes don't affect them. The Brexit party could be their new home/political club, it's really funny.

it's fucking luxury here compared to romania blah blah

You can fully subscribe to this statement and be anti-austerity.

you can also be anti-austerity without being reductive about how much misery and despair it causes, unless you are a foodbank veteran yourself and think it's a pretty fucking plush life!

The UK's poverty rate is objectively lower than Romania's. This doesn't mean that poor British people can go fuck themselves or that austerity doesn't kill.

How about this: if you're using Romania as a crabs-in-a-bucket baseline to defend austerity in the UK, you can go fuck yourself. If you think Romania isn't in a worse place than the UK overall, you can also go fuck yourself.

it is a truth universally acknowledged that we can all go fuck ourselves

We aren't as fucked in the UK as we could be seems like an ongoing theme with you, pom.

Thank the lord we aren't so fucked that we can at least post stuff on ilxor dot com

Did you read this part, tovarisch?

if you're using Romania as a crabs-in-a-bucket baseline to defend austerity in the UK, you can go fuck yourself

In it for the 39% accelerationists who are here for Corbyn rolling the tanks into parliament square

there are many worse places than the UK in Europe but that makes little difference to your own personal hell when you have to go to your local church foodbank to put a loaf of bread on your table, there are a lot of melts like Stella Creasy that roll their eyes when people talk about austerity related deaths. I get angry when people seem oblivious to how terrible UC is, and it isn't just the Conservative party who seem quite indifferent to how bad it is. Sometimes it feels just a small number of PLP (especially McD) have any kind of urgency to oppose it. And dampening how destructive it is with shrugs + mehs is a tactic approval at worst or just plain old indifference to human suffering which is also bad.

You can fully subscribe to this statement and be anti-austerity.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No you can't. Few people in the UK experience this luxury. Many people on ilx are struggling, or if they aren't rn they are insecure about having any kind of future. Stop this. xp

xp to pom

That's some neo-imperialist bullshit.

And frankly racist.

The two usually go together

JC will roll tanks into parliament and...come for your children's books.

If Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, your dad’s old copy of Stig of the Dump is at risk pic.twitter.com/7URDMNWUIg

— No One (@judeinlondon2) June 18, 2019

other day when "Money in the Grave" was trending I thought it was perhaps a new bold inheritance tax reform by boris, but alas it was the new Drake release.

That's some neo-imperialist bullshit.

xxp I saw a Dominic sandbrook book in the house the other day and was extremely grateful as I’ll know where to turn once the inevitable no-deal toilet roll shortages kick in.

The navel-gazing, exceptionalist implication (disguised as righteous self-loathing) that it's wrong to stress how much worse off Romania is compared to the UK is another way of saying: 'ours is the sole valid yardstick; your problems are at the very least equal to our own' even as all serious indicators say otherwise. Britsplaining, if you will, which is, yes, a neo-imperialist gesture.

xp

It's doubly offensive in light of the numerous times I've pointed out that I am not trying to minimise the deleterious effects of British austerity by any stretch of the imagination. I'm simply replacing them within the context I know best.

I knew that's what you were going to come up with pom. For once I'm not disappointed.

Go to Ferentari and enlighten the locals about how their standard of living is no worse than that of their distant British cousins. There is still time before Britain crashes out of the EU.

I am unsure how comparing the state of welfare in the UK and Romania cld be instructive wrt the UK. these comparisons are generally thrown out cheaply to stop discussion of welfare reform here

if they're willing to accept the breakup of the UK, the destruction of the Tory party and 'significant damage to the UK economy' as a price worth paying to get brexit then what do they think PM Corbyn's going to do that's worse? (maybe they think that 'significant damage to the UK economy' will mostly affect ppl who aren't them, whereas Corbyn will be coming specifically for their money? or do they really believe he's going to put everyone who reads the Telegraph in gulags or something?)

― soref, Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:19 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx2exbhMHQU

maybe Romanians are quite jealous of these privileged neo-imperialists lol..

I don’t know what’s more horrendous: the spread of “homeless camps” across the UK - or the fact authorities forcibly remove them. Some councils seize tents and even charge for their return. https://t.co/fOQ9yYlXTC

— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) June 18, 2019

at least in Hoovervilles they didn't get their corrugated shacks seized by the authorities.

Pom - I need to look at where that is on Google maps first, it's on my brand new phone.

I am unsure how comparing the state of welfare in the UK and Romania cld be instructive wrt the UK. these comparisons are generally thrown out cheaply to stop discussion of welfare reform here

calz brought it up again this morning, so I felt the need to respond. Then comrade alphabet took it to the next level. At the risk of repeating myself, I can only agree with your second sentence.

There is a silver lining here: Romania as unsuspected paradise (I just haven't realised it yet). Thanks, all.

My word, you do seem a miserable lot
Why don't you look happy like me?
Have you backed a loser, or got indigestion
Or have you had gin for your tea?
You may have your troubles, but try to be bright
There's one consolation you've all got tonight
Things are worse in Russia. They're not much better in Prussia
The West End Theatres have gone down a lot
They seem to get wusser and wusser
Some people believe comic singing is whacked
I may get on your nerves and my voice may be cracked
But nevertheless you can't alter the fact
Things are worse in Russia

One Sunday night I went out for a drink
I met a stray dog at the Crown
He tore a lump out of my best Sunday trousers
Before I'd a chance to sit down
I found when he'd gone I'd no seat left at all
But I thought as I stood with my back to the wall
Things are worse in Russia. They're not much better in Prussia
The wife then came up and went off the deep end
To square her, of course, I'd to lush her
She cried, "I've no needle or cotton just here"
And said, "You must stop there the whole night, I fear
You'll get a bad cold, but remember, my dear
Things are worse in Russia.

My wife had a mother and she was a cat
She seemed to be fond of her too
I wasn't. I hated the sight of her dial
She ought to have been put in the zoo
Whenever I met her or knew she was near
I used to sing softly, but so she could hear
Things are worse in Russia. They're not much better in Prussia
One Saturday night she fell under a bus
And as it proceeded to crush her
The wheels went right over my ma-in-law
The wife, who was near, cried, "They've killed her, Oh lor"
I said, "What the Dickens are you crying for
Things are worse in Russia."

(no dog in this particular race, just love that song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

:D

Go to Ferentari and enlighten the locals about how their standard of living is no worse than that of their distant British cousins. There is still time before Britain crashes out of the EU.

Understand your point about absolute v relative poverty but it does come across dismissive of suffering here.

On the contrary, nationalist dismissal of suffering is precisely what I am responding to. For the 543573489th time, I am not underestimating Tory austerity and I am not the one who put these comparisons back on the table.

"calz brought it up again this morning, so I felt the need to respond."

You have form in doing this. Everyone knows the UK is a richer country so that it's poverty ends up as 'less'. Everyone here is aware of this, stop posting this shit like we don't know and grow out of throwing words like neo-imperialism and take your tantrum elsewhere.

Given the prevalence of anti-Romanian sentiment in the UK, I think it's fair to reply when the topic comes up.

That aside on a post isn't = anti-Romanian sentiment to me. I wasn't reading it like that.

The prevalence of food banks is genuinely distressing and in the fifth/sixth richest country in the world, the fact that people live like this is a choice made by the government.

This bears repeating, I think. The levels are really shocking when you compare them to other countries of similar wealth.