Well I suppose he didn't drive it THE WHOLE tour but there are at least a couple or more moments in the filmm where you can see him driving.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link
that's kind of fucked up because honesty the more I think about this, I think that for me 75% of what makes this great is that footagei might be wrong, but alk's absence might be more of a covert tribute — from what I gather, he was as responsible for eat the document and renaldo and clara's overall aesthetic/vision as Dylan ... so I get the feeling he might approve of the weird subterfuge of the new doc.
― tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
the new Dylan and Joan interviews were great but the fakery stuff didn't do much for methat footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting
that footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting
I thought that conversation between Dylan and Joan was contrived to the point that maybe it was scripted for Renaldo and Clara except she refers to him as Bob. Regardless, the entire movie is fake in the sense that the purposes for which the footage was filmed all those years ago is not the same purposes to which it is put now. It’s one of the most Bob things Bob has ever done.
― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
Yeah, immediately after watching couldn’t remember whether that convo was or was supposed to be new footage or old footage.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
it felt very strange for them, esp Bob, to be talking that intimately on camera about their relationship so i still am not sure if it was legit
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
it was affecting nonetheless
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
That’s what I love about this so much: just like Bob, it’s mostly fake yet 100% true.
“And him that tells a bigger tale would have to tell a lie.”
― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
I had seen some headlines about fake stuff in this, but I didn't know the extent of it going in. In fact I still don't. I will admit that I didn't catch on to the film director guy until after it was over. Who knows to what extent that Dylan/Baez convo was scripted, although it seemed spontaneous to me, and no question there is something emotionally real going on there.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
I think some people are annoyed because, weirdly and despite him always seemingly actively working against it, for a lot of people Dylan is seen as Mr Auteur Genius Singer Songwriter - Mr Authentic who is writing true things about truth - the guy who influenced a million boys to badly busk Blowing In the Wind to make them seem poetic. and thats obviously in direct contrast to fake pop posers - who couldn't possibly express truth. that notion of authenticity was totally alien to music fans before the 50s - nobody gave a fuck who wrote a song or whether it really reflected that persons "truth" - the PR / self-creation of "Dylan" was totally a spearhead for the creation of that aura - and I enjoy the fact that he's always recognised it and questioned it. I forget which book i read on this but it tied that trend to the transition from disposable 7" singles to the (more profitable) album "as artistic statement".... I guess Its important for journalists/think piece writers to play into that narrative because it brings validity to writing about pop songs and can let some of them feel better about making a living doing clickbait top 10s and recaps. If a guy like Dylan suddenly says "lol fuck that this is all a bunch of lies" its no wonder some of them get pissed off.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
feel free to rearrange that stream of consciousness into something that makes sense though?
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:31 (four years ago) link
Freewheelin' jamiesummerz
― badg, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
https://external-preview.redd.it/eck3BUOhERZnWiO5HUWWJIjoFGB8zX0qtoLLoeQ9Y_0.jpg?auto=webp&s=75762613954c9158f46c8ba534a1dde96454f457
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it. Lollin throughout though whenever Ronson appears
― calstars, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
Still wistfully imagining the picking in the parallel universe revue of Ronno and Reed on say, “Satellite of Love.”
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link
I can totally hear how Dylan singing Satellite of Love would go
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Ha, I was just hearing that in my head as well.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it.
He kind of went for something similar during his wandering the wilderness years, right? When he was touring with the Dead and later Tom Petty? Kind of hitching his wagon to someone else's scene, taking the pressure off for a while (fittingly, when he was probably least deserving of attention, too).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
xp:There are these little pauses in the vocal that fit his phrasing:Satellite’s gone... way up to MARS!
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
Feel like if Lou was there it would only be fair to invite Nico as well.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
but de-SPIIITE of all the am-pu-TAAA-tions
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
Nope
but maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCjAIWg36c
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
Gerald Malanga and Joan Baez could do... some sort of dance.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
Aargh Gerard!
BTE
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
Sorry, meant to put that on the Miles thread.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Saw it for a second time last night. I'm just not bothered by the fake stuff--I think it's funny that I was so badly fooled. (VG above said it's easy to spot Sharon Stone as fake. I gotta disagree--unless you know about Michael Murphy/Tanner (I did), and you join the dots from him to Stone (I didn't), I don't know why you'd doubt the legitimacy of what she says--it's such a definitive '70s story.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour, not a Rolling Stone reporter, and the modern-day actor is a different guy?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
the filmmaker fooled meI think it was the thing of him directing the Shocking Blue video, such a random reference I guess I didn't think they made it up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
The Shocking Blue detour was totally convincing! I mean, who think to have that as part of a fake resume?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink
I don't know that the Revue could have handled another shit-talking moody grump
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour,Why wouldn’t that be Ratso?
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Ratso was there and wrote a book about it.
― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
Okay, but I read something that included him--along with Van Dorp, Stone, Murphy, and the promoter--as part of the ruse.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
I read something like that as well. Oh wait, it was posted by you.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
Had me going for a long time, longer than I’d care to admit.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
Thought maybe Ratso was pretending to be Bob to some Plymouth residents and you were taken in too.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
Recently learned that Joan Baez gave him that nickname, I believe.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
Also google image search of Gerard Malanga is - surprise!- NSFW.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jksNntjfFiE
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
Ratso has gone, out in disguise
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
Driving the bus, I walk the line.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
I drove it for a little while,I like to drive RVs
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
Hahaha
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
S. Stone's story was annoying and ridiculous considering it's a fake and why did they bother making it up etc.But if I had not known it was a fake I would have believed it was real (and still annoying !).
The filmmakaer, on the other hand, was so obviously fake to me. And also useless. But I suppose that's the idea !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 20 June 2019 08:34 (four years ago) link
Ronno has left, the Spiders from MarsAllen G’s hat, has stripes and starsI played guitar a little whileI love to pick for Bobby Z
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 June 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
/Rolling Thunderthighs Inevitably
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 June 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
Isis was incredible, I was hanging on every word there.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 20 June 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link