Scorsese's movie about Dylan

Dylan driving bus was amusing. Missing Sara was kind of disturbing, I guess.

And maybe a way to be left alone on the road... but I'm not sure there's another example of a big star driving his/her own tour bus !

I wonder what his handle was.

Do you really think he drove the bus that often, aside from that clip?

Jack Frost drove it the other times iirc

Well I suppose he didn't drive it THE WHOLE tour but there are at least a couple or more moments in the filmm where you can see him driving.

that's kind of fucked up because honesty the more I think about this, I think that for me 75% of what makes this great is that footage
i might be wrong, but alk's absence might be more of a covert tribute — from what I gather, he was as responsible for eat the document and renaldo and clara's overall aesthetic/vision as Dylan ... so I get the feeling he might approve of the weird subterfuge of the new doc.

the new Dylan and Joan interviews were great but the fakery stuff didn't do much for me

that footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting

I thought that conversation between Dylan and Joan was contrived to the point that maybe it was scripted for Renaldo and Clara except she refers to him as Bob. Regardless, the entire movie is fake in the sense that the purposes for which the footage was filmed all those years ago is not the same purposes to which it is put now. It’s one of the most Bob things Bob has ever done.

Yeah, immediately after watching couldn’t remember whether that convo was or was supposed to be new footage or old footage.

it felt very strange for them, esp Bob, to be talking that intimately on camera about their relationship so i still am not sure if it was legit

it was affecting nonetheless

That’s what I love about this so much: just like Bob, it’s mostly fake yet 100% true.

“And him that tells a bigger tale would have to tell a lie.”

I had seen some headlines about fake stuff in this, but I didn't know the extent of it going in. In fact I still don't. I will admit that I didn't catch on to the film director guy until after it was over. Who knows to what extent that Dylan/Baez convo was scripted, although it seemed spontaneous to me, and no question there is something emotionally real going on there.

I think some people are annoyed because, weirdly and despite him always seemingly actively working against it, for a lot of people Dylan is seen as Mr Auteur Genius Singer Songwriter - Mr Authentic who is writing true things about truth - the guy who influenced a million boys to badly busk Blowing In the Wind to make them seem poetic. and thats obviously in direct contrast to fake pop posers - who couldn't possibly express truth. that notion of authenticity was totally alien to music fans before the 50s - nobody gave a fuck who wrote a song or whether it really reflected that persons "truth" - the PR / self-creation of "Dylan" was totally a spearhead for the creation of that aura - and I enjoy the fact that he's always recognised it and questioned it. I forget which book i read on this but it tied that trend to the transition from disposable 7" singles to the (more profitable) album "as artistic statement".... I guess Its important for journalists/think piece writers to play into that narrative because it brings validity to writing about pop songs and can let some of them feel better about making a living doing clickbait top 10s and recaps. If a guy like Dylan suddenly says "lol fuck that this is all a bunch of lies" its no wonder some of them get pissed off.

feel free to rearrange that stream of consciousness into something that makes sense though?

Freewheelin' jamiesummerz

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The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it.

Lollin throughout though whenever Ronson appears

Still wistfully imagining the picking in the parallel universe revue of Ronno and Reed on say, “Satellite of Love.”

I can totally hear how Dylan singing Satellite of Love would go

Ha, I was just hearing that in my head as well.

The revue was a cool idea with great performances and I wish he would have continued with it.

He kind of went for something similar during his wandering the wilderness years, right? When he was touring with the Dead and later Tom Petty? Kind of hitching his wagon to someone else's scene, taking the pressure off for a while (fittingly, when he was probably least deserving of attention, too).

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

xp:
There are these little pauses in the vocal that fit his phrasing:
Satellite’s gone... way up to MARS!

Feel like if Lou was there it would only be fair to invite Nico as well.

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

but de-SPIIITE of all the am-pu-TAAA-tions

xp:
There are these little pauses in the vocal that fit his phrasing:
Satellite’s gone... way up to MARS!

Nope

but maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCjAIWg36c

Gerald Malanga and Joan Baez could do... some sort of dance.

Aargh Gerard!

BTE

Sorry, meant to put that on the Miles thread.

Saw it for a second time last night. I'm just not bothered by the fake stuff--I think it's funny that I was so badly fooled. (VG above said it's easy to spot Sharon Stone as fake. I gotta disagree--unless you know about Michael Murphy/Tanner (I did), and you join the dots from him to Stone (I didn't), I don't know why you'd doubt the legitimacy of what she says--it's such a definitive '70s story.

The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour, not a Rolling Stone reporter, and the modern-day actor is a different guy?

the filmmaker fooled me
I think it was the thing of him directing the Shocking Blue video, such a random reference I guess I didn't think they made it up

The Shocking Blue detour was totally convincing! I mean, who think to have that as part of a fake resume?

pretty tough to imagine Lou fitting in with the Revue, even with Ronson on board ... though maybe a country-fried "Vicious," "Sweet Jane" or "Waiting for the Man" would work.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 15:35 (thirty-four minutes ago) Permalink

I don't know that the Revue could have handled another shit-talking moody grump

The one I still find confusing is Ratso. There's all that footage of him from '76...or is it that that was just some flunky along for the tour,

Why wouldn’t that be Ratso?

Yeah, Ratso was there and wrote a book about it.

Okay, but I read something that included him--along with Van Dorp, Stone, Murphy, and the promoter--as part of the ruse.

I read something like that as well. Oh wait, it was posted by you.

Had me going for a long time, longer than I’d care to admit.

Thought maybe Ratso was pretending to be Bob to some Plymouth residents and you were taken in too.

Recently learned that Joan Baez gave him that nickname, I believe.

Also google image search of Gerard Malanga is - surprise!- NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jksNntjfFiE

Ratso has gone, out in disguise

Driving the bus, I walk the line.

I drove it for a little while,
I like to drive RVs