The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel - The Tory leadership elections

My feeling is his Brexit platform in a GE will be the same handwavey blustering Churchillian bollocks as normal. Question is whether enough voters fall for it.

Question is whether enough voters fall for it.

How many of the voters that would fall for, have already decamped to Farage though? This brings them back?

What would Churchill do about Brexit I wonder?*

* This is a joke I am not doing this

hunt has already asked “what would churchill think about boris ducking debates?” lmao

How many of the voters that would fall for, have already decamped to Farage though? This brings them back?

Perhaps, yeah. It did in the early years of May's leadership.

appropriate that the opinion of a dead guy that used to often nod off and soil himself half way through incoherent rambles is very germane to the subject here!

i mean lol what the undiluted imperialist and massive racist churchill did was yard-sale the empire to save the heartland so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

iirc it was Jess Phillips two weeks ago. I see a pattern.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:24 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If we add Diane Abbott, does the pattern get clearer, or more blurry, clearer, or more blurry?

(I'm aware this joke will be lost on those with perfect eyesight, but fuck 'em)

Perhaps, yeah. It did in the early years of May's leadership.

I don't know if Brexit Party voters come back if they choose someone else, I'm not sure how many come back even if they do choose Boris.

Depends on your view of how long-term a serious Brexit Party is, whether they're going to be a real factor, if they'd do some kind of pact or not. That section of the electorate has surely been hardened and Brexit Party seem a lot more professional than ukip, if still overly reliant on the big man up front for goals

Is there a single Remain Tory in the race or have they all decided there's just no point?

rip sam gyimah

There was a guy knocked out yesterday I'd never even heard of.

The Brexit Party isn't especially interested in winning seats, it exists to change the policies of the Tory Party. If Johnson or Raab wins then they've done their job and from then on it's about putting enough electoral pressure on the Tories to ensure they fall in line, but not so much they shred the vote and let Labour in.

iirc it was Jess Phillips two weeks ago. I see a pattern.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:24 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If we add Diane Abbott, does the pattern get clearer, or more blurry, clearer, or more blurry?

― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really blurry. Are you saying you stan for the woman who boasted about abusing Diane Abbott AND Diane Abbott?!

Fuck I'm really impressed.

Jeremy Hunt: 'What would Churchill say of Johnson hiding away?'

all politics must now be conducted according to the presumed opinions of someone who died over 50 years ago

WWCD

A step up from Founding Fathers™ worship.

Sorry poster |||| was alreday on it upthread.

dead churchy still having a big influence on the conservative party membership, heck he hangs out with most of 'em.

The Brexit Party isn't especially interested in winning seats, it exists to change the policies of the Tory Party. If Johnson or Raab wins then they've done their job and from then on it's about putting enough electoral pressure on the Tories to ensure they fall in line, but not so much they shred the vote and let Labour in.

― Matt DC,

Yes but what if voters disagree and vote for them in sufficient number? Whats to stop Peterborough repeating?

If Raab or Boris wins have they done their job? Is that enough for them of for their voters? By itself thats meaningless to them

and even if their interest isn't in winning seats, does that change once that becomes a possibility

Really blurry. Are you saying you stan for the woman who boasted about abusing Diane Abbott AND Diane Abbott?!

I think he means that no one cares when Abbott pals around with Tories she knew as a kid, or goes to the Spectator party or whatever. But there's literally nothing than can be gained by a) encouraging another pile-on on Diane Abbott or b) adding to the total sum of conversation about Jess Phillips in any way.

I'd be impressed if that is what he means.

This all started from me pulling a garbage tweet from MLC and he being the only person who put a ridiculous, positive spin on it - and then it turned out he was a fan. He was asked questions as to why he'd go down a road few have travelled and we've yet to get an answer.

Two weeks or so ago he was giving William Empson a run for his money on a reading of a throwaway joke about me 'trolling' Jess Phillips out of the Labour Party, trying to connect that to gutter bullshit from UKIP people.

Forgive me for not quite buying his reasoning on anything whatsoever.

Hancock out.

Will anyone ever notice the inconsequential numpt again? Is what not many people are thinking.

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well, he's had his half hour

oof

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I am, for the record, not devoted to MLC qua MLC - I rarely read her articles, and only read her Twitter as a source of news - UK Politics being one of the areas where the idea of ILX as an all-encompassing aggregator falls the fuck down.

That said, people reacting to that tweet as 'omfg the mask is finally off' are clowning themselves, and I am happy to help.

My devotion was a product of / reaction to the inept assassinations - on the one hand some post-Gamergate trash account has a photo not found anywhere else on the internet which may be MLC a decade ago in the pub with people who may or may not be who they claim - and without any irony follows up with the doxing bullshit. A few days before they retweeted that Maria Miller once said something nice about Owen Jones, so that's alright.

The other is just Comrade Alphabet have a stroke (either def).

in tomorrows graun Jess Phillips talks about what a big influence her own book has had on her life - and modesty aside - how hilarious and brilliant it is .. a bit like me etc...

meant that for the other thread re: Corbz Joyce piece .. but nm!

Churchill changed party twice iirc (well, once and back) so therefore Chuka is the most Churchillian politician today QED

Also most Mosleyite politician same logic

sir shortly floor cross

My devotion was a product of / reaction to the inept assassinations - on the one hand some post-Gamergate trash account has a photo not found anywhere else on the internet which may be MLC a decade ago in the pub with people who may or may not be who they claim - and without any irony follows up with the doxing bullshit.

I think dead churchy mainly had his moment because post Munich '38 it was felt that rich big business pols had their time and fucked everything up and he was more of a national candidate, so in that respect a shameless shill like Chuka is quite the opposite of Churchillian!

the name dead churchy has reminded me that earlier today while editing i discovered what some of you young uns doubtless know, which is there is an irish producer called "famous eno", so not everything is bad not good

MR famous eno

he's great! All Good FM is one of my personal summer classics, but i think maybe 4 other people have ever heard it

The name dead churchy reminds me that Winston Churchill is dead, and that in of itself is good.

"That said, people reacting to that tweet as 'omfg the mask is finally off' are clowning themselves, and I am happy to help."

Nobody screamed OMFG. I actually just linked to that pathetic tweet, and there was only a couple of posts on it.

Do get over yourself - and I hope you can find a better source of news.

I am clowning myself by *checks notes* wondering whether someone who constantly fawns over Tories might be doing something a bit questionable by hanging out with a pro-apartheid group?

Oh and btw she didn’t doxx the Hillsborough campaigner, but if you’re going to lean on “her address was public!” when a) public in this case didn’t mean on the internet and b) the long and awful history of cops et al surveilling Hillsborough campaigners, then....😬

A real person

EXCLUSIVE Grow up and stop calling me the c-word live on air, Jeremy Hunt tells broadcasters  https://t.co/7UiNPLEXeh via @Telegraph

— Christopher Hope📝 (@christopherhope) June 13, 2019

further proof that speaking cunt’s true name saps his dark power

Which of the six is Demogorgon?

His two heads have individual minds, called Aameul (the left head) and Hethradiah (the right head). One of Demogorgon's best-kept secrets, even from his cultists and minions, is that his two personas strive to dominate (and even kill) each other, but are unable to because they are aspects of one another. Despite this duality, many of Demogorgon's plots revolve around either permanently separating or uniting these two personas.

Boris Johnson said Britain’s continued membership of the EU would be a “boon for the world and for Europe” in an unpublished newspaper column in which he wrestles with his decision to back or oppose Brexit.
The foreign secretary has since insisted the column was intended merely as a tool for his own thought process, calling it “semi-parodic” in tone.
In a Telegraph article, written days before a published version in which he backed leaving, Johnson wrote of the EU: “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”