Scorsese's movie about Dylan

Oh, that reviewer I mentioned was Alfred, lol. (Alfred, what’d ya mean about the calculator?)

Wait, so this Dutch filmmaker is also fake? What an odd deal... I wouldn’t have known that, either.

I agree, the concert footage (and some of the other stuff from the time) is fantastic.

I never loved the violin on Desire (or the album too much generally), but Scarlet Rivera is really cool onstage.

the dutch film maker irl is Bette Midler’s husband

scarlet is my fave

I guess the Jim G. thing is also fake? His Wikipedia page doesn’t say nuthin’ about Dylan or music.

I dunno, whatever, man. Guess I don’t “get it”

It’s like that thing where someone tells you a totally believable, reasonable-sounding lie; then says “April Fool! You fell for it!” And you’re like... uh, ok.

forget it jake, it’s Dylantown

I watched the Patti Smith bits the way I always experience (most of) her work: crouching behind my couch waiting for it to end.

The Joni performance (at Gordon Lightfoot's house, with McGuinn and Dylan strumming along!) was breath-taking.

I could have done with more Scarlet Rivera. And Joan Baez! I think her interviews in both Scorsese/Dylan docs are great.

I have to admit I don't really enjoy most of the actual Rolling Thunder music. Dylan's still much too shouty on stage for my taste in that period.

Oh, and was Bob Neuwirth actually well-known as a performer back then? I know he was a famous hanger-on and sometime songwriter, but it was odd seeing the promoters handing out flyers for the shows shouting, "Come see Bob Dylan! Joan Baez! Bob Neuwirth!"

Oh, that reviewer I mentioned was Alfred, lol. (Alfred, what’d ya mean about the calculator?)

There's no way she could've been old enough to have met Dylan, I thought. I was wrong, though. I got her age from an inaccurate sight.

But, yeah, she was obviously, uh, getting into the spirit of exaggeration regardless lol

I got her age from an inaccurate sight.

This is a hilarious typo.

Worthy of Dylan!

sun's not yellow!

It’s chiXen

jarring to hear P Smith's accent, don't think I've previously heard her speak in footage of those days …subsequenly, she obviously fixed it in the manner that many trying to make it in the whichever big leagues in question do, whether yr from the south or mass, wherever…she doesn't sound like that now or since she came back in '88. or maybe her years in Detroit smoothed it out… is there a distinct Detroit accent? or is it part of the flat midwest affect?

If anything, this thing makes me appreciate this moment in his career better…previously I thought this was a step backward, associating with all these careerist folkies like Neuwirth…like at least his tour with the Band was with THE BAND, which consider to be an unbeatable, super special rock and roll band…and the Rolling Thunder experience sounded unwieldy in comparison, wrt to the 2002 bootleg…but the tour with the Band was too big for him, too redolent of the gigantic big money CSNY tour around the same time? does anyone have anything nice to say about the Street Legal World Tour? I've never listened to Live at Budokan, but my understanding is that its the point of his career unlikely to ever be rehabilitated.

God, what a snivelling toady Ratso is here… he's the Renfield of Dylan, although he has much competition…

Our thread on Street-Legal is very good, with plenty on Budokan and the other contemporaneous (and better) shows: Bob Dylan's "Street Legal" - Classic or Dud?

sidebar re Patti
i should let it go but i won’t
I will stan Patti Smith to my grave...

loved her opening performance at the club <3

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 June 2019 05:06 (eight hours ago) Permalink

I'm sort of Patti agnostic, a bit, but so when her performance started initially it I was "oh man...yeesh" but, in this weird way she has, that like no other performer I can think of does, it starts to coalesce and gather up steam and then almost like a magic trick, almost as if her early awkwardness wasn't awkward at all but part of a strategy to totally wrong-foot the audience and then sneak up on them, it was breath-taking.

My dad was running down this doc last night and how much he loved it and I told him about all the fake stuff and it BLEW HIS MIND, which was pretty hilarious.

"Come see Bob Dylan! Joan Baez! Bob Neuwirth!"

I also thought this was funny (and took it as a potential “in-joke,” though maybe it wasn’t). But I also couldn’t identify Neuwirth; I only know his Dylan-clone look in Don’t Look Back.

What that’s weird word Dylan and Neuwirth has for jiving people, gondorfing or something?

Gandalfing

https://media.giphy.com/media/TcdpZwYDPlWXC/giphy.gif

Haha, that was my other guess.

it's hilarious to me that Patti Smith is being called out as a pretentious, manipulative bullshit artist on a thread about....Bob Dylan

Dylan has better songs

I'm somewhat familiar with his work

what difference does that make?

Bob Dylan never wrote lyrics for Blue Oyster Cult -- Patti 1, Bob 0

women who are musicians have to tread carefully and be humble iirc

some real opinions in this thread!
i thought patti was cool in the doc — and she's only in it for about a minute, so it's no biggie, right?
i kind of like the idea of the fictionalized hijinks in theory, but I'm not sure how i feel about them in practice. i wouldn't be mad if come christmas they put out a DVD that just had the full live performances. and jesus christ, i want to watch the raw footage of those rehearsals too!

I also thought Patti was cool; this is the first time I've seen footage of her performing. The hard anti-Patti takes are... something

Janet Maslin's original NYT review of Renaldo and Clara...https://t.co/sYjPZOOhZM

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 14, 2019

xpost "Shooting Shark" is such an ill jawn

I've been surprised by the criticism that Smith got here yesterday. If I were on the make, I'd hang out in scenes too -- what's the problem?

I'm so excited for this movie, saving it for Sunday night

Glissendorf

God, this snippet of "Simple Twist of Fate" at the senior center / retirement home(?) is amazing

I really wanna see/hear that whole performance, why do they cut out?

all of the audio of that one is on the bonus disc of the new boxed set

In the fall of 1975 Sharon Stone was attending a school (Edinboro University of Pennsylvania) that was a 7 1/2 hour drive from the nearest Rolling Thunder tour stop (Springfield, MA).

Man, Dylan REALLY wanted to add layers to his shoehorning of KISS into this story.

This Ronee Blakley interview is long, but (IMO) pretty interesting: https://variety.com/2019/music/news/ronee-blakley-interview-rolling-thunder-revue-1203243802/

I am about halfway through this and think it is incredible. I wasn't sure what I was going to think about the made up stuff, but I love it. Basically this film is Masked and Anonymous 0.5 or 2.0 or whatever, but a lot lighter and funnier.

The Sharon Stone thing is pretty funny with the stuff about Okuni v. KISS as the source of the face paint. A few years later Dylan would be ranting from stage that, "You can go and see KISS and you can rock 'n' roll all the way down to the pit!"

I waited until about a quarter of the way through to tell my wife about the made up parts. She did a double take and looked at me like I was crazy.

The musical performances are amazing on a musical as well as visual level. He is so intense on the opening Mr. Tambourine Man; my favorite version. Other times, it is amazing to see Bob so cavalier on stage, yet there is an intensity to Bob even in these moments, like even his casualness is studied.

There was one shot of the stage where it seemed like there were ten people on stage. Four guitarists! Like tyler, I wish we had another movie of just the full concert and rehearsal performances.

There are so many great lines about this so far: The crap Bob acknowledges spewing at the very beginning, "A Bob Dylan Story", "We didn't have enough masks on for that tour", "Life is not about finding yourself, life is about creating yourself." "Nothing is revealed" indeed.

Also, I get criticisms of Patti Smith on one level as there is a try-hardness about her that can be grating. Like Jim Morrison, she resembles a high schooler with their first poetry. Yet I usually can put those feelings aside for her (or Morrison) because I love and respect someone for not caring and just going there. She has a presence that, for me, ultimately sells bullshit I would normally not take.

Roger McGuinn looks like Ozzy Osbourne in this.

Is he sweaty and wearing a tight paunch-enhancing leotard?

Ha, no. More the hair and the eyes and the expression.

Lol my wife made that comparison too

fortunately no one in the film was on coke.

At one point in one of the songs I swore that Ronson played the main lick from "Song For Bob Dylan," because that would be kind of hilarious. But I watched the film again and now I can't find it and I think I must have imagined it.

How soon after- or before!- did a bunch of these guys get religion/go Xtian, including the Mormon just mentioned?

Also, lol Alfred

Not even going to FP you for not recognizing “Eight Miles High.”

Does Jacques Levy ever appear in this in any noticeable fashion?