18 Tracks: Exile On Tay-Tay St.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
interesting title for the next single
"You Need to Calm down"Released: June 14, 2019
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
she's right i do
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
its good advice
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GulWnJx3uu0
― maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
always happy for an excuse to post that clip
Not a fan of the title...
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
The cd box sees a return to some kind of 'longbox' format. We never had those in England; i liked them!
― piscesx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
august 23
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
this new song is shocking... and the video! oh my god. reminds me of The Feeling or something. very 2005. both of their vocals can give so much more, especially urie, but this is disappointing. hopefully the lp will have a few better cuts. 'wildest dreams' still knocks
― meaulnes, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
Looks like there will be 4(!) different Target Deluxe Editions; but as with Reputation, no extra songs on any of them: https://www.target.com/c/taylor-swift/-/N-54u4c?AFID=Lover
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
(I guess with 18 tracks, that's not surprising)
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
The signalling via the album title and cover obv is pretty heavy-handed but I'm kinda hopeful that the album follows through on it - with a couple of exceptions taylor typically has been on shakiest ground when simultaneously leaning towards pop and away from relationship melodrama.
― Tim F, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
hoping, probably folornly, that single #2 is slightly less jojo siwa
― monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
i was scared that she was going to call the album la vie en rose though so at least she didn't do that
― monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:19 (four years ago) link
"you need to calm down" is a lot better than "me!" but it's not particularly good either, just inoffensive
― ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:08 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtfOHBF1_w
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (four years ago) link
i'm not ready to defend this position but: i like this one
I like the beat/synth and the verses but the chorus is cringey imo.It's borderline Mika territory !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:01 (four years ago) link
it's more 'pleasant but fairly forgettable album track' than 'second single'
― ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link
amazing thread title
― hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
why does every new single sound like "send my love to your new lover," was it THAT big of a hit?
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:31 (four years ago) link
I mean it's OK, but does anyone else feel like there's elements of this song that are...y'know...pandering?
It sorta feels like when a huge corporation puts their logo in rainbow colours. Like, great cause, but the fact that you're only doing it now because you're confident enough that it won't tank your stock price does cheapen it somewhat.
― triggercut, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
you can want who you wantboys and boys and girls and girls
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, June 14, 2019 5:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the part i like so much
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
p4k's Michelle Kim disagrees:
Swift dedicates the second half of the song to prove her allyship to the gay community, which again, deserves some props. But her way of showing alliance is confounding: “Why be mad, when you can be GLAAD,” she sings, upping the LGBTQ-centering media organization, but also parroting a literal Tupperware slogan. And when she says “shade never made anyone less gay,” she adopts slang with queer black origins in an attempt to create a mic-drop moment, but ends up sounding like another corporation proving they’re “down for the cause” during Pride Month. All of this, coupled with a hook that’s mostly vowels, makes for a song that’s somehow bewildering and underwhelming at the same time.
― flappy bird, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
I like this new song (it's so much better than "Me!"). The bridge is kind of a missed opportunity, but you can't have everything.
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
Maybe the third single will be good.
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
pretty good but the lyrics are brutal
― flopson, Friday, 14 June 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
This song is terrible
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:41 (four years ago) link
This is going to date horribly.
― Fried Egg Sandwich, Saturday, 15 June 2019 08:36 (four years ago) link
She's been pretty vocal about gay rights ... for the past couple of months. Especially for someone who has avoided politics, afaict. It scans kind of gross to me, like her newfound armchair activism is just part of the marketing roll out for the new album.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
she has been speaking directly to her gay fans since at least 2014
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
She is absolutely not bandwagoning
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
On Vox the writer stated that Taylor is drawing a false equivalency between "being criticized for being a celebrity" and anti-gay protesters at Pride Parades
I think this equivalency makes an ugly second verse, but it's not, like, a bad comparison. I think it's a misguided equivalency but not a false equivalency. Connecting the motivation behind shit-posters on Twitter and God Hates Fags sign-wavers is... clunky but not wrong, as far as I'm concerned
I think the first verse is pretty effective, this isn't a single I like personally, but it's a single I've liked more than most of her recent singles incl. a couple of 1989 efforts
It is strange to see voices of poptimistic criticism become frustrated with a pop song once the writer becomes self-aware and conspicuously manipulative. The word "pandering" has been thrown around but what mainstream pop music in the past 10 years has not been pandering? It's almost like "we want the pandering to seem accidental instead of intentional" or something
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
I do wish participation in queer culture by otherwise straight and/or mostly-straight pop artists was more all in, rather than kind of superficially political. Appropriation of queer and qpoc language and tropes can be both egregious AND fabulous (see Madonna's "Vogue")
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
Except for the "parade" line, I wouldn't have known this alludes to Pride if I hadn't watched the video.
I like Motormouth Swift, so this sounds better than Repuation's first single, and if it gets on the radio I'll like it next to "Bad Guy" and "Old Town Road."
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link
I don't feel pandered to as a queer man because, after all, a Pride parade is superficial performativity anyway.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:39 (four years ago) link
As someone who is neither gay nor a fan, the first I noticed her being more politically vocal was recently, during the 2018 Tennessee election. She's since said or posted one or two other things, which is why it felt like part of her marketing ramp-up (esp. coming after relative social media silence). It's good to hear she's apparently been more vocal for a while, though it's not for me to say if she's been loud enough.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
I'm neither gay nor a Swift fan in particular but I can think of some fairly obvious reasons that equating/comparing tweets against an extremely famous pop star with anti-LGBT sentiment could be seen as off-putting
― Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
i'm gay and i like her work and i can't say i give a shit
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
There were a lot of “issues” songs in the 80s that were no doubt otm but sound pretty lame now
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
and I never even went to Sun City!
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link
Dear Mr. Jesus!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link
I don’t find this song problematic so much as clunky is all
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
I don't necessarily find it problematic, but it certainly is clunky, which is itself I suppose problematic. It just felt cynical and shallow to me is all.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
"and control your urges to scream about all the people you hate / 'cause shade never made anybody less gay" is actually p sharp commentary on twitter pride discourse this year
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
i'm fine with "gay rights!" - taylor swift but i do think the sudden intensity of her allyship and the awkward lyrics in "you need to calm down" are pretty comical. but that aspect of taylor's been there for a long time - the weird tension in her public persona of being simultaneously deeply confessional and absurdly calculated.
― ufo, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
otm and also applies 100% to all her other songs
― Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:46 (four years ago) link
She just posted a B&W mosaic of herself in the woods, hmm
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:04 (three years ago) link
new album at midnight ET
Surprise 🤗 Tonight at midnight I’ll be releasing my 8th studio album, folklore; an entire brand new album of songs I’ve poured all of my whims, dreams, fears, and musings into. Pre-order at https://t.co/zSHpnhUlLb pic.twitter.com/4ZVGy4l23b— Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) July 23, 2020
― maura, Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:04 (three years ago) link
Holy shit
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link
that list of collaborators not exciting me much.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
Woman of the Woods
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link
wow
I've heard the National, should I?
― Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
also have never heard Bon Iver
RIP
― Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxK_FMDzHo
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
(new thread needs to be titled "whims, dreams, fears and musings" btw)
Freeform is heavily promoting a new series called Cruel Summer - so that song has been running thru my head all week.
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 21:22 (three years ago) link
‘1989’ the next re-do?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
lol if she re-records/releases this album before she even tours it
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 19 June 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
she's not doing this one, it wasn't under big machine
― ufo, Saturday, 19 June 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
nm just remembered that this wasn't on Big Machine mods delete post
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 19 June 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
xp jinx
“Cruel Summer” was recently released as a single.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Monday, 3 July 2023 04:09 (ten months ago) link
ngl it sounds better to me now than it did at the time
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 July 2023 06:50 (ten months ago) link
loved it at the time, was mystified as to how it wasn't a single then, better late than never I guess?
― Murgatroid, Monday, 3 July 2023 07:02 (ten months ago) link
i didn't know the song until now b/c i avoided listening to this album (thanks "me!"). it's good but i couldn't help but think of parts of other, better songs of hers? like idk i couldn't help but think of the bridge from "out of the woods" for instance. but yeah i guess it's been a fan fav for a while, i had heard mentions of it here n there for years
― dyl, Friday, 7 July 2023 04:17 (ten months ago) link
was mystified as to how it wasn't a single then
You mean a planned 'song of the summer' single for 2020 not happening? Hm, wonder why.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 July 2023 04:24 (ten months ago) link
I’ve never connected with a TS songIs it too late?
― calstars, Friday, 7 July 2023 04:35 (ten months ago) link
xp Eh, it was released in Aug. 2019 (and actually charted, in the Top 40, as an album track).
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 7 July 2023 04:36 (ten months ago) link
i think i’ve had the opposite reaction to dyl insofar as i hear “cruel summer” on the radio alongside “anti hero” and “karma” and think, so nice of them to show us what it would be like if those songs were good
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 July 2023 04:41 (ten months ago) link
oh and i guess this is the song whose writers were added to the olivia rodrigo "deja vu" credits due to a vague similarity in one line
― dyl, Friday, 7 July 2023 05:01 (ten months ago) link
"Cruel Summer," one her best singles, finally hits #1.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2023 20:42 (six months ago) link
The bananarama cover?
― calstars, Monday, 23 October 2023 20:45 (six months ago) link
Otm
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2023 20:48 (six months ago) link
nah, that's "Robert De Niro's Waiting"
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 23 October 2023 20:57 (six months ago) link
The stylistic variety of this album is very refreshing... in that respect, it's rivaled maybe only by Red in her catalog(?)
I think the album has also improved with time, or at least feels like less of a "mixed bag" than it did originally. If you take out "Me!" and maybe one or two other tracks of your choice ("The Man," "London Boys," "Calm Down" – depending on taste), it's actually quite strong. The remaining tracks may not have the highs of other albums (although "False God" comes close), and some of the production touches may be questionable, but the whole thing has a lightness and sense of "fun" that makes it stand out for me.
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Friday, 26 April 2024 23:10 (two weeks ago) link
It's hilarious to me that she premiered the "Me!" video at the '19 NFL Draft.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 April 2024 23:21 (two weeks ago) link
bad:you need to calm downme!
embarrassing but ultimately hilarious: london boy the man
i don’t like this song but ppl have made the case for it to me and im like “ok fine”:miss americana
mediocre but they work in album sequence:i forgot that you existedit’s nice to have a friend
the rest:great, some of her best work
― ivy., Saturday, 27 April 2024 02:44 (two weeks ago) link
the day this leaked was one of the happiest days of my life. i was on a week-long beach vacation and trying to sneak away from my friends to listen to this file-by-file on dropbox or something
― ivy., Saturday, 27 April 2024 02:47 (two weeks ago) link
the sequencing sucks and is insane but that goes without saying
― ivy., Saturday, 27 April 2024 02:50 (two weeks ago) link
(my worst take is that "you need to calm down" is good as hell)
literally my worst take! song SUCKS
― ivy., Saturday, 27 April 2024 03:00 (two weeks ago) link
I like “London Boys” but I couldn’t rationally “defend it” to a hater.
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Saturday, 27 April 2024 03:26 (two weeks ago) link
When i hear london boy all i can think is “i love a london boy, he’s a goy…”
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 27 April 2024 04:29 (two weeks ago) link
the opening line of “you need to calm down” is hilariousI also really like “me” and twee Taylor in general (shrugs)
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 April 2024 14:20 (two weeks ago) link
I love “paper rings”
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 April 2024 14:21 (two weeks ago) link
Lover is uneven but also her last “fun” record. She should make another one.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 27 April 2024 14:25 (two weeks ago) link
I will never, ever get enough of "Cruel Summer," my theme song for the long COVID summer of '20.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 April 2024 14:30 (two weeks ago) link
bad:you need to calm downme!embarrassing but ultimately hilarious: london boy the mani don’t like this song but ppl have made the case for it to me and im like “ok fine”:miss americanamediocre but they work in album sequence:i forgot that you existedit’s nice to have a friend the rest:great, some of her best work
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:11 (two weeks ago) link
lover is definitely an album that seems better in retrospect to me given that she actually articulates a vision for pop music production that goes beyond largely anonymous synth pop. i wouldn’t say it’s exactly a coherent vision, or even necessarily an exciting vision, but at least there are some *ideas* here about what taylor swift pop music could sound like
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:14 (two weeks ago) link
one does have to wonder if she deeply disliked the process of recording like a normal pop star — trying out diff producers — bcuz she has clearly opted out of that dynamic ever since. or maybe the pandemic just thrust her into this little insular creative bubble
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:18 (two weeks ago) link