I really love Duke... i think the two albums before it are kind of halfway houses between the Gabriel era and the Collins era, it seems with Duke they sort of got a grip of what the group would be for the albums that followed.
― Oh baby if only you knew I'm down to a hundred-and-two (stevie), Saturday, 13 June 2009 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link
"Wind And Wuthering" is awesome and nothing like "And Then There Were Three" at all. Although I kind of like the latter too, as a pop album with prog elements. "Duke" also has lots of atmosphere, but like "And Then...." lacks the lengthy complex tracks that "Wind And Wuthering" did still have in "Eleventh Earl Of Mar" and the glorious "One For The Vine". Also "Wind And Wuthering" still had Steve Hackett's wonderful guitar playing in there. I see 1976-78 as just as important a musical watershed in their music as 1974-76 is.
― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 13 June 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
geir, how do you rate "ripple" on trick of a tail in light of "eleventh earl of mar" and "one for the vine"?
― kamerad, Saturday, 13 June 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't doubt its importance, i just don't really like those albums much.
― the style and grace of a greased rhinoceros in a bed bath & beyond (stevie), Saturday, 13 June 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not Geir but: "Ripples" has its moments but it's not one of my fave tracks on TofT and I certainly don't consider it a match for either of the Wind and Wuthering biggies. "Ripples" doesn't change it up enough and it feels more of a long, drawn out ballad than an epic. It's plenty good in its own way tho, some of Phil's best singing maybe.
― Calling from a Balti Hotel (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 June 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"Robbery, Assault and Battery" is the "oh god no" clunker on that album btw. Why are Genesis crime songs invariably horrible?
― Calling from a Balti Hotel (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 June 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
That reminds me, I've never seen Buster.
― Keith, Saturday, 13 June 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
"Robbery, Assault and ?Battery" has awesome instrumental breaks, but is a shitty, shitty tune.
― f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
what about "uncertain weather" and ray wilson? adam lambert and queen?
― kamerad, Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
steve hogarth and marillion?
― kamerad, Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't have Wind & Wuthering! I don't have Trick of The Tail! May god strike me down I can only take so many Genesis albums at once, man. Give me some time. Really. Give me a break.
As long as Peter Gabriel makes it to the desert island with me, I'll listen to anything you want. That guy is going with me on my own personal lifeboat. Sorry.
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
phil collins abandoning kit for mic cleared the way for the drum machine 80s
― kamerad, Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Never wanted to hear the Wilson Genesis album. Never really wanted to hear post-Fish Marillion.
― Calling from a Balti Hotel (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I have the Wilson Genesis album. I got it for free. I've listened to it maybe twice? There are a few numbers that would be OK if they played them w/some sense of urgency, but it's all very half-assed.
― f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Have pity on me, what are you guys talking about? Wilson Genesis? Who is Wilson?
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
He was in Stiltskin. He did an album with Genesis when Phil lollins left.
― Keith, Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
The singer from stiltskin. he appeared on the very last Genesis studio album "calling all stations" Do not pay money for it.
― f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I doubt it lived up to his glory days in Stiltskin.
― Keith, Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
That hit single they had actually sounded better when it was an advert tune, without vocals!
― f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ See also: Babylon Zoo
― Calling from a Balti Hotel (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
But where has Duke been all my life? Where?
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Saturday, 13 June 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Wilson absolutely didn't fit into Genesis at all as a singer, but some of the songs on that album are actually quite good. It is the sound of Tony Banks partly taking back the artistic control after Phil left.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 14 June 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i have the opposite feeling; he would have been okay if the songs had been better. the songs are mostly crap, the drums are really crap, his voice is pretty good actually.
― akm, Sunday, 14 June 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh man this Abacab album, jesus H. I love the way just right when you're innocently in the middle of it, suddenly the drop a reggae touch ("Dodo"). That is the DOPE.
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
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― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Back to Gabriel era GenesisDancing With The Moonlit Knight (1973)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZFwYAZ0aE
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Paperlate is definitely an odd one. I like it a lot - it appears to be a Collins song stitched on top of Banks song, which makes for a pretty strange mix of soul with weird prog chords here and there.
― Keith, Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link
That Gabriel clip has me in tears. I'm in tears over that. Thanks for writing Keith. This one's for youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AdIS932zyw
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Do love "Paperlate", It feels like Collins's chorus and Banks's verses but it's a great song whatever, better than most of Phil's solo material I reckon.
― Posters that beg the Question: What the Hell were You THINKING? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 June 2009 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Noodle! so nice to have your opinion. I've been wondering if I should investigate Collin's solo LP Face Value. There's a lot of embarassment in admitting this, but hell.
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
"Face Value" is great
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Is this where we talk about my love for "Keep It Dark?" I love how the fairly straight-up "Me and Sarah Jane" clears the room for this weird extrusion of science fiction and sound effects and time signatures.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
oh yeah, and holy cree, I will never tire of "Paperlate." Should be playing in the background of all CNN financial meltdown montages.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 14 June 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link
I kinda like "Me And Sarah Jane", but feel like that one and "Dodo" are the only tracks on the "Abacab" that are really up there with old Genesis.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 14 June 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
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― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
My internet connection is dying. I may not even be able to connect with you folks, soon. Bimble is suffering in an internetless wilderneses. But I went all the way downtown to get the CD of Selling England By The Pound. It was the only store who had it. But because I'm on Windows 98 right now, I don't even think I can download a decent version of iTunes to add it to my iPod.
Peter Gabriel, goddamnit. Also I bought a Smokey Robinson CD, too.
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Sunday, 14 June 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Holy Mother of Godhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35wtfcByIY
― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link
You think music gets better than that? Really?
― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link
these videos are all on the remix/remastered versions of these albums that just came out, btw
― akm, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks. I have a friend who's got grey hair now, he came from Japan. He says he remembers when Selling England By The Pound came out. He remembers when it was new and everything. He says he has a bootleg DVD. We're supposed to meet at the end of this month.
He said that there's some kind of Genesis tribute band called Musical Box.
― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 06:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I want to talk about Genesis a lot. I have put a lot of their albums on my iPod and have listened to a lot of albums.
Here is my top ten songs right now (not necessarily in order, but roughly):
1. You Might Recall2. Paperlate3. Keep It Dark4. Turn It On Again5. Dancing In The Moonlit Knight6. The Musical Box7. Abacab8. Me And Sarah Jane9. Dodo/Lurker (the one with the REGGAE PART!! WOOHOO!)10. Harold The Barrel
But to be honest, the "And Then There Were Three" album impresses me so much that I'm deliberately keeping that separate from my top ten here (even "Follow You Follow Me"). It leads me to believe that if I were to purchase Wind & Wuthering and Trick of the Tail that I might be made quite happy indeed.
I am truly sorry there is not more of the prog Peter Gabriel stuff in my list. I have listened to a number of the albums with him on it, and I get the feeling if I played it all a lot of times, I would come to love a lot of it, but that would take a lot of time and right now the Collins vocal stuff, at least prior to 1983, is so much more immediate for me.
Also "Illegal Alien" deserves every ounce of its bad reputation. I remember having a friend when I was about 12 years old who liked it and I thought she was freaking off her rocker to like that song.
Thanks and good day/night.
― Subway to Idaho (Bimble), Saturday, 20 June 2009 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Honorable mention to "Return of The Giant Hogweed", though, don't get me wrong.
― Subway to Idaho (Bimble), Saturday, 20 June 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Can I just say, that song "Mama" though...I mean that is just some major psychotic shit. Because I heard that this week for the first time in eons and I realized that yes, I really do remember hearing that on the radio in 1983 or whatever but it's like...what in the living fuck? What is he talking about in that song? It's kindof scary! But I love the heavy percussion and the echo, I mean don't get me wrong. It's totally cool.
I guess I'm just saying that even though I remember that song from way back when, I can't possibly understand how my young mind might have even interpreted or processed a song like that at the time. I can only see it from the vantage point of who I am now. So it's totally wicked and like...maybe it belongs in a haunted house. Yeah, that's it.
― Subway to Idaho (Bimble), Saturday, 20 June 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I think they said it didn't do well in America despite better success in the UK. Don't really wanna be bothered to look up the details, though.
― Subway to Idaho (Bimble), Saturday, 20 June 2009 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Genesis OP10 (or 20....)
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 21 June 2009 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
See there you go! I sorta halfheartedly looked for a "Genesis POX" thread, and came up with nothing.
In the meantime, I've taken to playing "Harold The Barrel" repeatedly, and I decided I liked "The Cinema Show" right away - despite its length and everything, I think that is a really beautiful Gabriel-era track.
― A Breath of Fresh Culture (Bimble), Sunday, 21 June 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
despite its length and everything, I think that is a really beautiful Gabriel-era track.
almost all the songs from this era are this long! what do you think of Supper's Ready???
Cinema Show was written by Banks, btw, I think.
― akm, Monday, 22 June 2009 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I know Supper's Ready has this HUGE reputation, so I've tried to get into it, but I think Foxtrot is something I'm only going to be able to properly digest with a lot more time. I played Watcher Of The Skies twice already, but it didn't stick yet. Give me time.
― She's A Witch, You Son Of A (Bimble), Monday, 22 June 2009 08:23 (fourteen years ago) link
The last five minutes of Cinema Show is one of the most incredible instrumental passages I've ever heard, principally a Banks keyboard solo of stunning melodic power. The version on Seconds Out just edges the studio version for me.
― anagram, Monday, 22 June 2009 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link
totally agree... during the post Gabriel era, they just sound so amazing whenever phil jumps back on the drum-kit to duet with chester or bill... like, all of a sudden there's all this polyrhytmic stuff added to the formula.
― it's the nuclear sex apocalypse, dude. i mean, c'mon. (stevie), Monday, 22 June 2009 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link