Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

ilx is pretty much all rockist now isn't it

Should I listen to the hacienda episode though? I do tend to avoid podcasts and only experience them vicariously in forums such as this.

I was going to ask who from the show picked The Fall to end the latest episode, but figured it was Chris.

they should have played "Sinister Ducks"

I was going to ask who from the show picked The Fall to end the latest episode, but figured it was Chris.

Will has tweeted positively about MES.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:37 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark

they also had the fall at the end of an older episode pre-chris

Checking this out for the first time. Liked the Alan Moore episode basically because it was Alan Moore and always interesting to hear him talk. Had to turn off the live in Berlin episode as I cannot think of anything I'd rather listen to less than American punk types making shit jokes about dance music. Is it worth checking out other episodes or are they always like this?

That was probably the worst possible one to check out, generally the live ones are not well liked. Lemme scan for a representative recent ish one.

I liked 310, the one where they discover Marianne Williamson

The live eps are almost universally awful

actually the Premium one they did excerpted from their UK shows was not bad, mostly cause it stuck to readings

All the shows are awful be honest

the Berlin one was so bad

this recent one w Ryan Grim is good and has a lot of the classically Chapo stuff


Listen to 318 - Rahm Emmanuelle: The Joys of a Neolib feat. Ryan Grim (5/27/19) by Chapo Trap House on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/318-rahm-emmanuelle-the-joys-of-a-neolib-feat-ryan-grim-52729

Matt's solo history ones are good

Our episode about Iran War scenarios is now open to view on YouTube. https://t.co/DGUaTYLCTZ

— The War Nerd (@TheWarNerd) June 16, 2019

If anybody would be interested in us talking to Ben Burgis y’all about his new book on argumentation and Ben Shapiro-types, we just posted both parts of our episode with him:

https://soundcloud.com/givingthemic/ep-53-part-1-arguing-with-ben-burgis

Good comeback episode after all the live shows.

God they suck so much

yeah, i thought it was a good return to form, really wish they'd stop hammering that marianne williamson bit though.

I suspect that will die down quietly soon given that she's just been outed as a (former?) anti-vax-sympathizer.

I'm not sure how on board with their pro-Sanders arguments vs. Warren work if Sanders can't pull more than 15% of the dem base. How can he rally a mass of the entire population to enact his agenda if he can barely crack 15% of the left?

i think his appeal would be the corbyn thing. he will bring out the people that don't usually vote due to being disenfranchised- young working class people - and in the general he'll get the liberal voters that would eschew him in the primary.

biden is the front runner in the dem primary so I'm assuming they're not a very "left" cohort of people. liberal baby boomers mainly i guess? (sorry, no idea of the social composition of registered democrats)

i was at a retirement party on monday with a well-heeled, retired, baby boomer liberal who is heavily involved with some expat democrat org here and who hates sanders with the fire of a thousand burning suns and was in for biden.

i found him quite genial so i didn't go in on handsy uncle joe at him

I understand the appeal but I don't see Bernie making it real. His campaign feels like its running on autopilot. Maybe the polls are skewed but uh, thats a bullshit excuse.

his shot was 2016, and that load was blown when Trump won. too many candidates and he's sounding exhausted

Morning Joe Biden beginning to turn on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZGy2eM8J0

the end of the newest chapo episode went in on the millennium challenge that was in the war nerd link upthread.

biden is the front runner in the dem primary so I'm assuming they're not a very "left" cohort of people. liberal baby boomers mainly i guess? (sorry, no idea of the social composition of registered democrats)

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

left of the electorate iirc

yeah true i guess, doh

I'm not sure how on board with their pro-Sanders arguments vs. Warren work if Sanders can't pull more than 15% of the dem base. How can he rally a mass of the entire population to enact his agenda if he can barely crack 15% of the left?

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:38 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW at this moment in previous election campaigns:

2008 Dem: Clinton led by 13.2 points
2008 GOP: Giuliani led by 7 points
2016 GOP: Bush led by 2 points

And Hillary led by 50 points atm for 2016, and there are fifty people running right now. Definitely true that Sanders isn't blowing anyone away right now (and Warren feels like the person who will beat out Biden), but there is just a massive amount of time between now and when it counts. Super Tuesday isn't until March 3, 2020 – a bunch of stuff is going to happen between now and then! I think a lot of people are just in a holding pattern, waiting for everyone but Biden / Warren / Sanders / Harris / XXXXXX to drop out.

wish I didn't get such a rush every time Red Scare girls/Amber Frost says something stupid but alas

Matt went on another pod to discuss the Weather Underground:

https://anchor.fm/impressions-of-america/episodes/Episode-9---Interview-with-Matt-Christman---Discussing-The-Weather-Underground-e4dvfq

Ugh stfu Amber

this is the correct take on Amber's bullshit, from the subreddit:

Had Louis C.K. never been accused, Amber would be criticizing Louis C.K. as a faux woke white male feminist who’s almost definitely a sex creep. Since her politics are based on culturally conservative bullshit, she defends him precisely *because* he was accused.

was going to ask what she'd done now but i think that explains it. oof. spicy hot-take

They all have a bit of a knee-jerk politics sometimes, cf their tendency to take whatever position on impeachment is not favored by the mainstream of the democratic party

Amber now literally just does the Felix "Contrarian Corner" bit except not as a bit.

thats a yikes from me

really though, between the Angela Nagle thing, the defending LCK thing, and the fake ISIS shirt thing, Red Scare girls are really horny for pariah status huh

red scare is basically a cum town spinoff podcast

pariahs in the eyes of who
xp

jim otm

What irritates me about RS isn’t so much their edgelordery as it is their self-importance. They want to be Lady Cumtown but at least Cumtown doesn’t pretend to be anything but a dumb joke podcast. RS occasionally seems to flirt with believing they’re saying something of substance. Of course if anyone tries to criticize what they say they fall back on “get a life, it’s just jokes”. They’re so tedious.

What irritates me about RS isn’t so much their edgelordery as it is their self-importance

RS occasionally seems to flirt with believing they’re saying something of substance.

🤔

from what I've gathered Red Scare is the contrarian "whooo, look at how leftists make everything into an overblown issue, sometimes I just want traditional whatever, being retrograde is fine and entertaining"

which might be novel or even edgy if you're in your early 20s but it's basically the shtick I've seen a half dozen times in my lifetime and eventually nearly every one of these people acting like they're the counter-culture to what they feel are woke norms end up turning into gavin mcinnes or pulling off their masks to reveal they always were

I mean, the current wave of socially conscious activism has people genuinely affecting change and doing hard work to build lasting effects and those who are on a bandwagon, but overall the progress we're seeing needs a lot more of the former to actually stick. Getting real societal change when it comes to entrenched misogyny, class consciousness, etc. isn't something where you've "solved" it and someone waves a big victory flag

it's cool to joke on your peers in passing about that kind of thing, but doing so as a media exercise makes me wonder how many of these people are also the "come on, you don't have it THAT bad" libertarian types

booming posts

when I was typing the bit about people putting in the hard work to affect change I was thinking of Hoos obv

^otm

Btw Flappy all I’m saying is that they present as being ironic and detached but also seem to sincerely think they’re delivering truth bombs that the left needs to hear instead of just warmed-over Paglia takes.

They have an “I’m the first person to have thought of this” energy about them which is annoying