Elizabeth Warren - Foreign Policy and Medicare For All

I bet Fred is really bad at writing protest signs/slogans

Aside from Mayor Pete they're all old as shit

TIL Andrew Yang (44), Julian Castro (44), Kamala Harris (54), Cory Booker (49), Tulsi Gabbard (37), Amy Klobuchar (58), Beto O'Roark (46), Kirsten Gillibrand (52), Wayne Messam (44), Tim Ryan (45), Eric Swalwell (38), Seth Moulton (40), Michael Bennett (54), Steve Bullock (53), and Bill Di Blasio (58) are all "old as shit"

The only protest slogan I've ever made up was during the anti-Iraq war protests, where we chanted 'Alaska, Iraq, Norway will be next!'

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Obama's problem (while HRC was at State and Samantha Power was on the NSC) is that he was unduly influenced by those who saw every civil conflict as America's responsibility. The "don't do stupid shit" mantra wasn't really embraced until they left in February 2013.

Then along came Syria and Yemen!

Syria was while he was still unduly influenced, so I guess that's why there was so much intervention.

i don't support a candidate because there's no point in my supporting a candidate

This only makes sense if your support both starts and stops with casting your vote. In 2016 Bernie proved that aggregating hundreds of thousands of small contributors is a viable approach to campaign funding. And national campaigns need funds or they die. I've already kicked in small amounts of money for Warren twice. I figure Bernie has plenty of contributors to keep his campaign going without me.

I want both of those candidates viewed as serious contenders and able to hire staff who can do advance work for them in the early primary states. That's an important element of "support" and it's better if it isn't left entirely to 1% type contributors to finance presidential campaigns.

do people actually think trump would refuse to concede the results of the election? he seems too chicken to try that.

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oh thank fuck we get to have more kremlinology, yes let's all spend the next 18 months trying to guess what president hebephrene will be "thinking" if something that may or may not happen happens. good luck with your book brigadier pudding.

TIL Andrew Yang (44), Julian Castro (44), Kamala Harris (54), Cory Booker (49), Tulsi Gabbard (37), Amy Klobuchar (58), Beto O'Roark (46), Kirsten Gillibrand (52), Wayne Messam (44), Tim Ryan (45), Eric Swalwell (38), Seth Moulton (40), Michael Bennett (54), Steve Bullock (53), and Bill Di Blasio (58) are all "old as shit"

― Arugula Raccoon (DJP)

i'm 43 and i'm old as shit, checks out

I won’t do that don’t worry. I’m going to get some vegetarian tacos.

idgi though isn't speculating about what may or may not happen 18 mos from now just kind of what these trheads are about

All I know is I got a new display name

Is it “thirty, flirty and ready to die”? That’s what came into my head when people were talking about how the middle aged candidates were old as hell

jesus fuck how many primary threads do we need for the same exact group of people to stay on top of each other's arguments? someone lock this one please

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:36 AM (two hours ago)

thanks

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:41 AM (two hours ago)

As a private citizen I agree completely; as a representative of The State I could crack down on free speech rights and totally delete this sucker; disgustingly enough I decided to let the marketplace of ideas crush or elevate the thread as it will.

High intensity ideas are winning out as the dial of ideas is turned up to 11

Seeing where Paul Hellyer's headspace has gone in his 80s and 90s has made me a little more concerned about electing very old candidates to positions of power.

As a notoriously old person, I can vouch for the idea that old people are convinced they remember how it was when they were younger and they stand solidly upon experience, putting them far ahead of callow younger people with fewer years to draw upon, when in fact all they have is an old brain full of synapses that are starting to weaken or fail, and their distant memories and experiences are often figments of that weakening brain. I try as best I can to stay in the present and trust my recent experience far more than my hazy memories of decades past.

Addendum: From my observations, both Warren and Sanders are still fully engaged with the present and are not maudlin captives of an imaginary past.

imo the best argument for sanders > warren is that sanders is the one plausible candidate in my lifetime who seems like he could conceivably break with the post cold war interventionist mindset and challenge the national security state. not that he'd necessarily win that fight, but none of the other candidates is even going to try.

as much as i like warren, i think she would basically be obama II on foreign policy. opposed to "dumb wars" but not to the whole shebang. doubt she'd stop the drone war, for example.

Bernie has a more traditionally socialist/internationalist view of foreign policy, while Warren is very focused on domestic policy and is not a foreign policy adventurist in either the good or bad sense.

hence: "i think she would basically be obama II on foreign policy. opposed to "dumb wars" but not to the whole shebang. doubt she'd stop the drone war, for example."

Has Sanders come out against the drone program?

Think he's waiting for the ilm ambient poll to be done first.

btw, here are some Cliff Notes on Warren's positions on foreign policy and healthcare that I found after 5 seconds on Google so we can at least make guesses with some context around what she has actually said/done:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Elizabeth_Warren#Foreign_policy_and_national_security
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Elizabeth_Warren#Health_care

i think sanders has been wishy-washy about whether he'd use drones. he's been weaker than i'd like on a lot of foreign policy stuff, but it's impressed me that he's stuck to his guns on things like support for the sandinistas.

I don't think he still supports the Sandinistas. He's just not apologizing for having done so, which is good.

All I know is I got a new display name

― brigadier pudding (DJP)

full credit goes to thomas pynchon for that one

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I didn't know Gabbard and Butteigeg were the same age

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lol

Thanks! Thanks, definitely got to improve my phrasing in asking anything like this, but pretty indicative nonetheless!

i dunno man, i had a lot of hope in Warren and today is a bummer.

I lost my hope for her campaign a while back, but I really think she would have been our best chance.

some nice summary lookbacks from people today and she did a lot of admirable things that went unnoticed.

I kind of want to buy a last minute Warren shirt and send one to my trump supporting dad to be an asshole.

On the other hand my Warren hoodie is now cooler and more valuable

RIP
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and I haven't even gotten to vote yet! primaries suck!

i was happy to get in a vote for her. i mentioned my story before about my wife talking to her at the airport right before the 2016 election, she stood next to her in line and EW was really passionately talking policies with her. She flew coach.

:(

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they stuck tulsi in prematurely. or maybe she forgot she's running?

it's a running gag

Had polls disabled on ilxor when this came out. Would have voted: I like her plans for these just fine, she has a plan for that.

Everyone should know that the best that could be accomplished in 2021 if Manchin, Jones, Sinema, Warner etc provide the marginal Senate votes is some form of subsidized public option. Warren was honest about that. She wasn't as divergent from the foreign policy blob as I would have liked, but I could live with a more circumspect version of Obama, here, without the needling of Samantha Powers types.

i find it weird to keep seeing the bankruptcy bil non-beating the dead horse with biden come up as a criticism (maybe maybe it was just ilx and only 1-2 people) Because, i seriously thought she had mentioned it multiple times already. Like a lot of people's criticisms were just so peculiar. But i haven't been on the debate team since jr high and just couldn't be bothered getting citations.