The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel - The Tory leadership elections

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lol i typed out the phrase "as a tory i always insist on a dignified and respectful nandos" and then deleted it bcz the bufton-tufton telegraph is long dead and there is no benefit to pretending otherwise

mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link

To go back to Tom D's point on Boris its kinda surpising that he hasn't pulled any stunts or said shit (or too much of it anyway) or admitted to drug taking. So far anyway.

And to square with Mark's point its true that Boris is unlikely to win a GE, but I think that's true for any Tory winning this. I mean what we are seeing is Nandos, cocaine/youthful (at 31, which is young for Tory I suppose) indiscretion, walks and chats about *stuff* on the street and shitty social media. Anything but policy apart from: a) who is going to be hardest brexity on brexit or b) Raab's Unchained stuff which would be under the spotlight in a GE should he win and something I don't see playing that well at the doorstep. Its the total lack on the policy front that is fucking these Tories up.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

that Graun piece on the Peterbrough by-election result yesterday highlighted that campaigning on policies (rather than degrees of brexit or brexit betrayed) is still doing the biz with the electorate and all is not lost.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link

Its always going to be that. Often you get one of those back bench Tories saying Brexit today Jerusalem tomorrow but people want them to show some working and the Tory party is too exhausted for coherent bullshit rn.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 June 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link

tory leadership hopefuls scramble before all the good drug confessions get taken and they're left having to confess to misguided teenage nutmeg binges and attempts to huff pritt-stick https://t.co/sTqICTlTEg

— Ben (@cinemashoebox) June 8, 2019

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

Crack or gtfo

wake me up for "I Should Coco" (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link

drug abuse has totally been tapped out now.. maybe the masturbation confessions next?

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:22 (four years ago) link

Gove outs himself as much loved ILM poster Turrican

wake me up for "I Should Coco" (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link

Frighteningly plausible.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

lol talking of masturbation.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure Turrican has never regretted anything. But then neither has Gove.

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link

Raab's Unchained stuff which would be under the spotlight in a GE should he win and something I don't see playing that well at the doorstep.

Kind of honestly hope he wins for that reason. All that stuff about British workers being shit and lazy? Yeaaaaaaah.

gyac, Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link

c'mon workers do want to test themselves in Victorian sweatshop conditions - you get to make fat oligarchs richer and find out if you're as nailz as your ancestors were .. it's a total winner on the doorsteps!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link

PETER HITCHENS: The truth is Britain's entire elite has been corrupted by drug abuse for decades

lool!!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link

I have to say Mr Gove’s confession comes as no great surprise to me. Our entire political and media elite, across all major parties, have long been corrupted by drug abuse. I am not talking about the teenage follies they sometimes confess to. Legions of them have taken illegal drugs far more recently than they care to admit, and even more of them, idiotically, allow their teenage children to do so.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link

I ain't takin' no shorts,
whether for the rap or the dope game,
bitch, I'm still a man

Peter Hitchens

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link

By the nature of the crime, they probably cannot remember all the occasions when they broke the law.

tbf he's fucking nailed it there!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link

Well, we’ve had caners as PM and as Chancellor already; I have good gossip about the former’s antics at Notting Hill wedding receptions.

suzy, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link

no doubt about that degen! PH reminds me of my dad accusing me of being a "glue sniffer" when I was dabbling with the bad stuff!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link

like we don't these pig fucking degenerates are strangers bacchanalian excess!

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link

know

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link

hmm .... shouldn't have smoked that drug before typing during a dizzy spell.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link

PH as ever the only person actually sticking to the horrible principles tories affect to stand for, for this he has my grudging, um, still not respect tbh but relative lack of contempt at least

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link

I like him much more than most terrible professional politicians of the Labour and Conservative parties as well fwiw tbh.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link

media lens seem to love him unconditionally

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 8 June 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link

are they like novara media? not heard of them before g/s I just did.

calzino, Saturday, 8 June 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link

hardcore pilger / chomsky stans, they do letter writing campaigns to any media figure who isn't ideologically pure, which works out as everyone. I agree with them 90% of the time, but their blindspot regarding anyone who isn't USA/UK establishment is ridiculous, and they have spent way too much time defending wikileaks

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 8 June 2019 23:21 (four years ago) link

PH is high on himself anyway etc etc

anvil, Sunday, 9 June 2019 07:26 (four years ago) link

He's wrong and not exactly perceptive but he has the principled consistency thing going on, and I guess he's not a grifter?

anvil, Sunday, 9 June 2019 07:29 (four years ago) link

his Grenfell piece was absolutely spot on. Obv I'm not saying give the cunt a medal, but when you compare the vile apologist responses of people like Nick Robinson or just about anyone in the current Con party at the time - then you realise he is a different type of conservative beast. Still an arrogant, pompous, bigoted, 1914 declinist bore but he'd only have bad crims strung up by their neck!

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 07:47 (four years ago) link

I've mentioned before but I've had cause to encounter Peter Hitchens at my place of work and he was extremely polite, pleasant and respectful - whereas Kwasi Kwarteng is a dick, though not as much as Andrew Gilligan, truly an obnoxious toad of a man.

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 June 2019 08:08 (four years ago) link

got to give him some credit; of the Britannia Unchained crew he's only slightly less thick as pigshit as Liz Truss is .. but only slightly... I love it when R4 gives him half an hour slots to make anodyne programs about the Empire that have the effect of leaving you feeling like you know less about a subject after wasting your fucking time listening to it.

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 08:44 (four years ago) link

When he was Secretary of State, Michael Gove brought in a lifetime ban for teachers who used cocaine. pic.twitter.com/DYuGCOTZqb

— Steve Lapsley (@stevelapsl) June 9, 2019

what a loathsome little twat.

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link

Yes, but they weren’t ‘experimenting’.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link

Chemistry teachers maybe

wake me up for "I Should Coco" (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link

Someone has to show the kids how to manufacture crack-cocaine in your kitchen, vital life skillz!

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link

Mildly interesting skim on Boris' operation this time around.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/boris-johnson-kept-from-media-in-ruthlessly-organised-campaign

No mistakes this time. If he gets there he'll save it for his negotiations with the EU.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link

there is only so long you can hide the cunt in a box or as the The Graun would have it a "ruthlessly organised" campaign of great professionalism!

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link

Maybe now would be the time for journalists to closely scrutinize Johnson's financial supporters and allies rather than next year after we're in Mad Max world

wake me up for "I Should Coco" (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link

Could non-subscribers have a few paras of that?

suzy, Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link

If you google the title you can click through from search results and view the full thing.

stress tweeting (gyac), Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

Most Tory candidates also speak cheerily of “no-deal Brexit” as if it were an end state, and Britain could live happily ever after in autarky, sealed off from a continent with which it has traded since the Bronze Age (and where it currently buys insulin and time-sensitive cancer treatments).

this can't be repeated enough fucking times to these "put no-deal on the table" numbskulls as well as the demented head-bangers.

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link

Anyone watching the contest to become British prime minister has to wonder about the cognitive skills of many Conservative candidates. Put simply: are these people stupid? They include several Brexiters who have put Brexit at risk by repeatedly voting against real existing Brexit. Now most of them are promising to renegotiate the UK’s withdrawal agreement with the EU, even though the Europeans insist they won’t renegotiate, having already refused to do so with Britain’s last two prime ministers, Theresa May and David Cameron. Plainly, the EU cannot cave and give Britain a sweetheart deal, or else every member state would want one and the single market would fall apart. Yet Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn plans to renegotiate, too.

Most Tory candidates also speak cheerily of “no-deal Brexit” as if it were an end state, and Britain could live happily ever after in autarky, sealed off from a continent with which it has traded since the Bronze Age (and where it currently buys insulin and time-sensitive cancer treatments). Meanwhile, Conservative MPs, the people choosing the shortlist of two candidates, keep making basic factual errors about Brexit.

What explains the poor cognition of Britain’s governing class, which, unlike voters, is supposed to grapple with policy detail? Here are some possible explanations:

• Many Tories are cynics faking it. They publicly back no deal, knowing it would be a disaster, but are counting on the rest of parliament to stop it. They just want to sound hard, because they live in fear of deselection by their hard-Brexiter local parties. Tory MPs know that the job market for ex-Tory MPs is currently pretty weak.

• The corollary: there is no political advantage in grasping reality if your voters don’t. Steven Sloman, cognitive scientist at Brown University, points out that most people cannot describe the workings of a toilet. The EU and the international trade system are even trickier. Sloman says the only way to handle complex issues is therefore to listen to experts. Politicians sometimes did that, until populism came along.

• Widmerpoolism. Kenneth Widmerpool, the creation of English novelist Anthony Powell, has become a byword for the blind will to power. Educated at a school modelled on Powell’s Eton, Widmerpool builds a glittering career (including a stint as MP) on tireless manipulative infighting. Powell’s insight applies here: after correcting for birth, power goes to the people most committed to getting it.

• An inability to admit past error. If you have supported Brexit for years, you will look silly if you let new information nuance your views. Recall how Dominic Raab was mocked for confessing he “hadn’t quite understood the full extent” of the UK’s dependence on the Dover-Calais crossing for trade. Karen Bradley received similar treatment for admitting that she only discovered while Northern Ireland secretary that Northern Irish nationalists “don’t vote for unionist parties and vice versa”. It’s safer for politicians to be consistently wrong.

• If your genuine beliefs contradict reality, deny reality. Tory MP John Redwood is a fanatical Brexiter. So when he wrote that the UK’s exit bill on leaving the EU was “Zero. Nothing. Zilch”, as if Britain held all the cards, he was probably forcing himself not to see reality. A related Tory trait is what the French call volontarisme: the notion that willpower can change reality.

• Denying reality proves your fanaticism to other fanatics. Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski tweeted in February: “Britain helped to liberate half of Europe . . . No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany.” In fact, as thousands of people swiftly told him, Britain was the Plan’s largest beneficiary. Yet Kawczynski stood by his false claim for two weeks. By holding firm against reality, he signalled his loyalty to the cause.

• Laziness. In the British gentleman-dilettante tradition, many Conservative politicians leave boring detail to civil servants. Added to that is the callowness of today’s Tories, the luckiest members of the luckiest British generation in history. When you know your class will always prosper, you can afford airy gambles. Hence Cameron’s bet that a referendum would put the European issue to bed, reunite the Tory party and see off the threat from Nigel Farage.

• Stupidity and ignorance. Some people sound stupid or ignorant because they are stupid or ignorant. That could explain the Tory MP Nadine Dorries’s complaint that May’s deal would leave the UK without MEPs after Brexit; or MP Andrew Bridgen’s belief that “English” people are entitled to ask for an Irish passport (that Ireland is a forgotten British possession probably played a role too).

Ignorant people can succeed if success depends on other, unrelated qualities. Many companies promote good-looking people. The Tory party promotes articulate public schoolboys.

In the classic essay “The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity”, the late Italian economic historian Carlo Cipolla warned: “A stupid person is more dangerous than a bandit.” He explained: “Stupid people cause losses to other people with no counterpart of gains on their own account. Thus society as a whole is impoverished.” Let’s hope the next prime minister is merely a bandit.

calzino, Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link

that is great, but nothing we didn't know already

imago, Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link

there's something particularly juicy about a really devastating list of bullet points, i agree

imago, Sunday, 9 June 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link

this longer version of that Lorraine Kelly/Esther McVey clip might be the most brutal thing I've ever witnessed pic.twitter.com/B8NTPes6uT

— Matthew Champion (@matthewchampion) June 10, 2019

I bet this isn't the first time this has happened to McVey.

calzino, Monday, 10 June 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link

Victoria Derbyshire competing with Lorraine Kelly for the best 30 seconds of morning television today. pic.twitter.com/sdvP657ftZ

— Jono Read (@jonoread) June 10, 2019

lool

calzino, Monday, 10 June 2019 10:59 (four years ago) link

i will never tire of people calling jeremy cunt by his name

also that lorraine kelly diss is brutal

God may judge you but his sins outnumber your own. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 June 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link


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