Should Marijuana be legalised?

due to*

But death?

Bong RIP

lol

that coroner sounds super high

i learned about the dire state of coroners from Frontline -- https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/post-mortem/

this one sounds like a real dope!

"What if, like, she died because there wasn't *enough* THC in her system?!"

"Maybe what she was suffering from was not too much THC but too little TLC."

(I feel a little bad for those, RIP)

lol old lunch

But death?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, June 7, 2019 9:11 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark

idk have any of you ever took proper dab hits from a rig ? shit is no joke

pretty sure there hasn't been a time in history were one could instantly take such concentrated doses of THC instantly.

i guess probably the highest risk is like passing out and cracking your skull on something but i'm just saying .

When I see people doing that I can't think of anything else other than people smoking crack, so sure, I can totally imagine somebody dying.

lol they call it "meroin" around these parts

but this is still ridiculous ftr

for sure this case is stupid as hell

looks like Delta 8 and Delta 10 THC will remain legal in Texas for the foreseeable future. There was a bill seeking to ban them that was approved in the house and senate, but ultimately it failed to make it through a reconciliation process.

It seems that marijuana has been legalized for ages, so its interesting to see that as recently as 2011 the outcome was in doubt. By the end of 2012 it would be legalized in Colorado, and then the dominoes started falling.

I live in Wisconsin, it seems like it'll never be legalized here because our state legislature is so turbofucked

that said D8 is still legal, which is funny cuz apparently when it comes to edibles it's basically the exact same thing

the carts I have kick my ass, but I'm a bit of a lightweight

There's a legal weed store down from my house, as well as a couple glassware/gift shops (not really head shops - no Pink Floyd posters) and I have to says that the consumers of legal weed are big time litter bugs.. the gutters and parks are strewn with blunt wrap wrappers and empty packages of commercial weed

They need to clean up their act, these pot consumers

it is weird going to a legal state and seeing advertisements for it everywhere. go here! no, go here! we'll deliver it to your door for 3 bucks! all I can think of are the folks I went to high school with who wound up getting jail time for having like, a quarter ounce of shitty weed.

feels a bit like legalized sportsbetting I guess, I think it's good that it's legal but all the advertising for it rubs me the wrong way.

here in Wisconsin at the liquor store you can get these drinks with 25mg THC in them. since it's under the 0.3% threshold I guess it's legal. and yet they do get you very high. so what's the point of keeping it a crime??

I saw a billboard in Oakland recently advertising ounces of bud for $49, delivered to your door. For an ounce!

Thirty years ago we were paying $50 (or even $60) for an EIGHTH of an ounce! The market has totally crashed, some NorCal growers say that prices have fallen by 90+% and it just makes no sense to grown anymore

I wondered about that as soon as the legalization talk started. Marijuana is just an incredibly efficient drug. Always felt like a sucker for paying 50 bucks for a tiny baggie of something someone grew in their garden, but that baggie would last me like 2-3 months. So I can definitely see a lot of overestimation of how much this stuff would really be worth on the free market.

In Tennessee we're among the legal Delta 8 states, which is super weird because we have all these dispensaries — some of them very fancy and boutiquey — that are basically exactly like legal weed stores I've been to in other states except that it's all hemp-derived. I have friends who say it gives them basically the same high as actual weed, but I kind of disagree — it does produce an identifiable THC high, but I think it hits a little different? I don't know, maybe I'm just a snob. I am somewhat put off by the whole chemical process they use to concentrate and produce the stuff. I know that weed can have all sorts of pesticides and things on it too, it's not exactly organic lettuce or whatever. But I like the "real thing" best.

(not that I ever have any, copper — I ain't no criminal!)

Most of the legal stores here in CA have all the charm of a strip mall Verizon store... I guess they want to look 'legit' but I miss the old head shops with underground comix, t-shirts, "Dark Side" tapestries, etc. as well as pipes and bongs; they were some of my first intros into counter-culture

I've vaped a fair amount of delta 8 carts and they do get you high, but yeah, it's just not as pleasant as actual weed. There's no newer ones like delta 10 or whatever, I have no idea what they are like.

Wisconsin is absolutely packed to the gills with that stuff. I live in a town of 50,000 and I swear we've got at least a dozen D8 shops. Yeah, it's okay, I guess. The carts hit pretty harshly though. Honestly I felt better smoking the dubiously labeled fake carts I was getting before. It can get you high but yeah not really the same. More functional, less euphoric. Sometimes you just get a headache. The D8 edibles, on the other hand....are pretty legit. Results may vary on those though. I find 'em a lot less predictable than other edibles. Sometimes they mess you up good, sometimes you feel very little, but then there's a 50/50 shot you wind up getting way too high 5 hours later.

That happened to a friend of mine, had this very delayed onset that didn't hit til right before she went to bed. She fell asleep and woke up six hours later still high. The quality control is pretty variable seems like.

I got these 25mg D8 cookies once and I noticed all the cookies were very different sizes, like one would be 9 grams and another would be over 20. so these "25mg" cookies would be anywhere from idk like 15 to 35, that seems like kind of an issue when it comes to THC

here in Wisconsin

I drive to Madison pretty often, and I find it hilarious that there is a big dispensary more or less literally right on the Illinois border.

lol yeah if you look at the map of dispenseries in Illinois like a third of them are right on the border. pretty common icebreaker question here is "do you go to Illinois or the U.P.?"

As I understand it, prices/taxes in Michigan are considerably lower than they are in IL.

yeah it's dirt cheap in Michigan but that's a longer drive from where I am. plus the U.P. dispensaries are a little shady, I remember hearing the one closest to here isn't even licensed. it's just so dumb you can't actually buy it here, I guess that's what happens when the Tavern League secretly rules your state. even dumber because those "Delta 9" edibles/drinks you can get here because they're "less than 0.3% THC" are incredibly similar, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference (other than the real ones being twice as strong)

I miss the old head shops with underground comix, t-shirts, "Dark Side" tapestries, etc. as well as pipes and bongs; they were some of my first intros into counter-culture

you're in luck, for just for just $20, indie fragrance house Alkemia can make you smell just like an old head shop0, indie fragrance house Alkemia can make you smell just like an old head shop

Always felt like a sucker for paying 50 bucks for a tiny baggie of something someone grew in their garden, but that baggie would last me like 2-3 months.

damn, at the height of my addiction i'd burn through one of those every 36 hours. i don't think they ever lasted me more than a week.

it's not so efficient when you've built up a heroic tolerance, of course now one toke makes me want to crawl into a hole and die

I did the go to sleep sober/'wake up high' thing to myself making infused coconut oil for a friend's wife. Put me off edibles forever, waking up to a panic attack was rough. I don't have time to be fucked up for long.

Need someone to come up with a new easily obtained research chemical in the DMT/5-MeO-DMT realm so I can have a nice 10 minute trip once a week.

-weed advertising sucks
-delta 8 and concentrates and dabs are weird, I also prefer the classic analog marijuana.
-had a friend who quit smoking weed when he got divorced and couldn’t afford it. Weed is so cheap now that there’s no real financial burden. People spend more on craft beer and cocktails in two nights out than I do on weed in a month.

One thing I've noticed is the prevalence of skunky weed smells in utterly mundane spots: desolate bathrooms, obscure grocery aisles, quiet alcoves of museums... feel like the rise of the vape has ushered in a sly anonymity for a quick lonely indoor fix which wasn't as convenient with flammable methods.

There are a couple of specific blocks around there that consistently stink, morning, noon, and night.

A couple of weeks ago my daughter was in one of her classes (this is high school) when the weed smell grew so strong the teacher had to stop everything and call in security. After searching a few pockets/lockers/suspects/nearby bathrooms, they eventually found the source: an ounce (!) of weed a kid had brought it and, panicking, stashed in the rainy-day board game box along with Monopoly and the like. Vaping is apparently pretty pervasive and distracting enough at the school, but this was kind of beyond the pale, lol.

I don't have time to be fucked up for long.

My friend who woke up high called into her office and said she was going to work from home that day lol. (Feel like work-from-home in general has probably enabled a lot more daytime toking.)

i have a nice dialed-in microdose i do twice a day in the 'barely feel it' range. before i work out so the onset is fast and i burn through it fast. on the 420 thread, z shared this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/05/03/weed-anxiety-cannabis which is *highly* otm ime, pun intenteded baby.

weed is powerful and very complex. i try different edible products and they have really different emphases to me, to the point where it feels like "different strains of weed are different drugs". the one i recently stocked up on, for whatever reason, really brings whatever is going on emotionally with me to the surface. not sure i'm into it tbh. my dose on these has decreased because i don't want to feel that so intensely in day to day life.

There was *another* recent Washington Post article about weed sparking psychotic reactions in teens: https://www.washingtonpost.com/parenting/2023/05/01/teen-pot-use/

It seemed pretty anecdotal and over the top, but then there's this one person repeatedly commenting beneath it who leans too hard the other direction. "It's perfectly safe and natural and no side effects and etc.!" Out of curiosity I listened to that Huberman neuroscientist podcast ep on the science of cannabis, because I liked his episode on alcohol. He is thorough and nonjudgemental, and the conclusion I came away with is that cannabis is indeed very complicated and its effects not really well studied or even entirely understood.

https://hubermanlab.com/the-effects-of-cannabis-marijuana-on-the-brain-and-body/

That first WaPo story seems pretty otm, this quote in particular: "“A lot of it could be the baggage you’re carrying into the situation,” Vandrey said. “It’s really hard to predict.”

Years ago I remember a heavy smoker telling me, "When something bothers me or makes me anxious when I'm high, to me that's a sign that that's something I need to deal with." In other words, it wasn't the weed making him anxious, the weed was highlighting things in his life that made him anxious. Some truth to that I think, but also the weed can amplify and distort those feelings so that the thing that might be really just a mild source of worry or anxiety becomes outsized when you're high. I think I've written this on another thread, but I've had super-stressed/anxious/sad times in my life where I stopped smoking weed entirely because of exactly that — it was making me feel worse or more stressed about things rather than less.

Really with both alcohol and weed I find them most enjoyable when I'm generally feeling good — they're mood enhancers, so it helps to be in a good mood.

During one particularly emotionally trying time I found that for months I couldn't have so much as a glass of wine or one hit of weed because I was sort of barely hanging on and the smallest thing would derail me completely. ymmv obviously, but it was a good lesson to me. Self-medicating has real limits.

[ "“A lot of it could be the baggage you’re carrying into the situation,” Vandrey said.

This is 101 level knowledge. If you don’t respect the feelings you already have, no substance will solve your problems. This is hardly a revelation.

I don’t see how any of this has a bearing on whether it should be legal or not. (I’m glad it is in my state and have many reasons that I’m not interested in sharing.

It may be 101 level knowledge, but I think it's why some/a lot of people don't make it past their first time of being really high. I've heard lots of people say things like, "I can't handle it!" because they had a bad experience at some point and don't really understand how the drug works. Not that I think that's some great social problem, it doesn't matter to me whether people want to use THC or not. But I think the way it connects to legalization is that having friendly legal stores with good salespeople could help guide people a little -- in the same way a good wine store can help you find something to your taste.

Also I think after decades and decades of mostly anecdotal information, a lot of folks may not realize its/their limits, and just assume the mantra of safe, healthy, natural etc. means safe and healthy for everyone. Even now a lot of it remains anecdotal or personal. That's one reason I recommended that podcast. I found it really informative and neutral.

Agree about seeking advice from informed professionals! I’m tired of hearing anecdotes from/about people who don’t know what they’re doing and impugn a plant for their human error. Legalize it!