"OK Computer": Classic Or Dud?

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early Airbag sounds like Sparks

flappy bird, Friday, 7 June 2019 06:56 (four years ago) link

I can confirm that the track 15 Lift totally destroys all other Lifts.

Auld Drink of Misery (zchyrs), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link

fucking thom yorke, now i have to take the stairs everywhere

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Friday, 7 June 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link

xp I forgot that Motion Picture Soundtrack is originally OKC era. The acoustic/solo version has always been my preference.

billstevejim, Friday, 7 June 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link

I probably won't bother tracking this down anytime soon unless anyone discovers something earth shattering.

billstevejim, Friday, 7 June 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link

that archive.org streaming link is still up right?

flappy bird, Friday, 7 June 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link

made it through the end of disc 6 today (was going to try to stick to one disc a day, but it was a slow day!) there's like 17 minutes of cool jams on the fifth disc, and then another full-band take on "attention", which is really starting to grow on me as a song. then there's some massively lo-fi hotel room demos.

disc 3 has a fun 808 jam stuck in the middle, though the disc 5 jams are better. disc 4 and 5 also have some good jams on the early "paranoid android" before they got the ending together and a pretty nice early run-thru of "airbag". then disc 6 has some better than usual solo yorke demos (including last flowers and life in a glass house) and then ten minutes of random bits copied off the "spy who loves me" soundtrack, cool process shit

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 June 2019 02:39 (four years ago) link

Finished. "Funky Cloak" is a jam.

maffew12, Monday, 10 June 2019 11:40 (four years ago) link

http://www.on-a-friday.com/OKComputerLeakedMaterialCues/

very handy cue files and splitter script for the 18 mp3s

maffew12, Monday, 10 June 2019 11:43 (four years ago) link

it was fun just going through everything before I read what was on them. things get A bit bogged down sometimes and, then, whammo, Thom sings "A Reminder" acapella into the wind three times through.

maffew12, Monday, 10 June 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link

truly the Beatles Anthology of our time

maffew12, Monday, 10 June 2019 11:50 (four years ago) link

archive.org link down. Anyone willing to shar3?

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 10 June 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link

I got it off PB about an hour ago

nate woolls, Monday, 10 June 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link

Really love the full band version of True Love Waits on D1, never really been a huge fan of either released versions

nate woolls, Monday, 10 June 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link

ah thanks, maffew

brimstead, Monday, 10 June 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link

Well that version of True Love Waits is not good.

To me the real version will always be that Belgium live performance with just acoustic guitar and the winding organ line. Always felt like that should've been the arrangement.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:20 (four years ago) link

This is fascinating. I wonder would a band ever sanction releasing something as sprawling and undigestible as this on a bonus reissue. Feels like it would've been appropriate for OK Computer's one a few years ago. Deluxe 17-minidisc edition.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:33 (four years ago) link

the irony is if the ever did do that so many people would call it pretentious and ridiculous and ludicrous to suggest that anyone would ever listen to 17 hours of random Radiohead studio tapes

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:46 (four years ago) link

it's fun, I'd like to do this with most bands

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:46 (four years ago) link

i don't get the "not good" takes on the d1 true love waits. maybe it just sounds good to me sandwiched in with three different live versions of "i promise", idk

i think part of the reason i like it is precisely because it's not releasable. it just doesn't cut it as product. honestly even having the songs tracked and identified takes a little of the pleasure out of it for me.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 06:57 (four years ago) link

still hunting and not finding. wld love to listen.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 07:26 (four years ago) link

It's very easy to find on soulseek

groovypanda, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 08:02 (four years ago) link

And Pirate Bay, downloaded in about 20 minutes this morning

nate woolls, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 09:01 (four years ago) link

released for one quid apiece. pay up before James Bond's lawyers catch on!

Looks like we get to see the writing on each disk case

maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link

Actually the durations look different. Maybe already removed things that aren't theirs.

maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:25 (four years ago) link

Disc 6 looks like it stops before all the Bond stuff.

13 is also much shorter

groovypanda, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:36 (four years ago) link

Apparently they can be downloaded in FLAC. The 192kbps MP3 weren't far from the actual minidisc bitrate anyway, were they?

Anyways classy move

maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link

OMG, looking at Thom's hand-written tracklists, Dogwander literally is a field recording of a Dynomutt cartoon. That rules.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link

wow great that they did that

looking through the tracklist most of the shortened durations do seem to match with various bits of things they don't have the rights to being edited out (the bond soundtracks, various tv recordings etc.) but there's still a few minutes here and there unaccounted for so i guess i'll wait for that tracklist document to be updated with this version of it

ufo, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:02 (four years ago) link

yeah I'm just going to check the Reddit tonight.

I missed any hype about "dogwander", don't remember that coming up in the 90s. I just searched it on YouTube and I'm only more confused about whether it's a thing (beyond the cartoon recording)

maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:07 (four years ago) link

I love that they've done this, it's a great way to handle it.

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link

"dogwander" is just a track title that was listed on their website among all of thom's notes there while they were recording ok computer, not much is really known about it. there's a brief soundcheck recording that people think might be it but that's all.

https://citizeninsane.eu/music/pile/dogwander.html

citizen insane is the go to for unreleased radiohead song trivia though with the minidiscs it's well out of date now

ufo, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link

yeah classy is the word. I imagine they're pretty pissed that this leaked. this way of dealing with it is admirable.

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link

First time listening to this on bandcamp, that Motion Picture Soundtrack version is making me angry because it’s beautiful and I think it’s better than what they released.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I have to applaud the band for handling this in the best way imaginable.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link

Admirable move by Radiohead

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link

I like the keyboard line on the disc 1 'True Love Waits', but overall it doesn't have even a fraction of the emotional power of the final version on A Moon Shaped Pool.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link

And you can go on all you want about how it was an amazing bit of paranoid futurist chart pop, but between "Cars" and "No Surprises", which is/will be more dated?

Heh heh heh...

― Dave M., Monday, May 7, 2001

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link

Is Dave M. still laughing.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link

I think the most interesting thing of all of this stuff - for me, at least - is hearing the development of 'Airbag', at least up to a point. I would have loved to have heard more of that. Also, how many different ways did they try 'True Love Waits' before hitting upon the final version!? Christ.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link

MD115 is the shit

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 04:55 (four years ago) link

I'm looking for whatever is happening at 4:00 into this:
https://youtu.be/9XnSISpba0w?t=240

billstevejim, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 05:24 (four years ago) link

I don't listen to OKC as much as I used to, but it's been about 20 years since this was my #1 best record of all time and it probably still is. So I guess I should check some of this out. It just seems so dauntingly large tho.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 05:30 (four years ago) link

There's an update on the story behind this now on that Google Docs link

ANOTHER STATEMENT FROM THE GROUP - THE TRUTH
Written on June 11th, 2019

This month so far has been an insane turn of events, from receiving information about the leak, to it being featured on major publications, to the band releasing it themselves based on a strange, and as far as we know, incorrect rumor of a ransom from the original bootlegger. As a group we have so much running through our minds, but unfortunately a lot of the things we have to say are regarding the misinformation being spread around.

Stories about the discs being held for ransom are untrue, and it seems that even the band believed them. The band may be misinformed, or they may intentionally be crafting a legendary version of events. It was incredibly frustrating reading the articles that got it all wrong. Now that everything is out of the bag, we believe the world deserves to know the real truth - what actually happened that led to this release. The following section outlines the events chronologically.

The Story

On May 26th, 2019, a user named Zimbra joined the Radiohead subreddit’s official Discord server, W.A.S.T.E. Central. He asked people if there were any people knowledgeable about bootlegs he could contact, as he claimed he had something he wanted to factcheck. Discord user belargu pointed him to another user named Rhett, and so they took it to the DMs.

Zimbra soon revealed to Rhett that he had acquired 18 hours of unreleased material recorded around the time OK Computer was made, and was contacting him to make sure they were never heard of before up until this point. He provided several audio files of previews to show what he had gotten was legitimate. Zimbra then claimed that he traded a rare unreleased song from another artist with someone else who provided the digital minidisc files. He planned to sell them. Beyond this, we don’t know who or where Zimbra got hold of these files.
On June 1st, Rhett added several people to a group chat - people whom he trusted, and several who are now part of the current group. He told us about what had been revealed to him, and that a leak of this magnitude is something that cannot be ignored. He then proposed a plan to recruit trusted fans to discuss the matter further. He wanted to keep this a secret in case word got to Zimbra, which could have led him to raise the price if he saw the demand.
On June 2nd, Rhett made a private server in anticipation for more people. He then asked Zimbra for the price of the files, to which he replied that he was selling each track for $500, and each live version for $50. Given the prices and the length of the discs combined, someone in the group estimated that the entire thing would cost around $150,000. This likely where the incorrect blackmailing rumor comes from.

Someone in the group searched online to figure out who Zimbra is. We soon found out that he was a very reputable leaker on a forum called leakth.is, who has sold many other rare tracks from different artists. He was also in that forum’s affiliated Discord server, where he was seen sending previews to other users. There was a leakth.is post (which is now taken down) of Zimbra selling the now-famous version of Lift for $500.

We then discussed to great lengths on what to do next. After several hours, we came to the conclusion that the band should be alerted online, particularly through Reddit. We believed that letting everyone know would have a better outcome than letting someone shell out thousands of dollars for the leak, which was essentially stolen. We all worked together to word the Reddit post properly, and Discord user dreamgazing took the initiative of posting this in the very early hours on June 3rd. People listened to the snippets and were convinced.

Moral debates aside, our post gained traction. Some news sites were already picking it up, and the announcement spread to other parts of the internet, such as r/indieheads and /mu/. Other people figured out that Zimbra was involved in this, and they were not happy. On Reddit, people were expressing disappointment that he would have the nerve to sell these for such a price, let alone even having the leak. /mu/ was very keen on getting them as soon as possible - to the point of conspiring to dox Zimbra. People were pinging him en masse on the W.A.S.T.E. Discord server. This put a lot of pressure on him.

Later that day, Zimbra approached Rhett again privately, having figured out that he had spread the previews. He was upset that he shared them, and that we claimed he was selling them for $150,000. They also had a lengthy discussion on what to do next. Zimbra came to the conclusion that he should release the leak for free to rid him of all the social pressure. He told Rhett that he would be posing as hoserama, a famous Radiohead bootlegger, to shift the blame away from him. We would like to make it clear that the actual hoserama was never involved in this.

This is the main part of the chatlog between Zimbra and Rhett, showing how Zimbra got convinced to leak the entire thing for free.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585300093142302720/588232779087609887/ZIMBRA_CHATLOG.png

The mega.nz link was posted to W.A.S.T.E. on June 4th, 10:40 pm EDT.
As soon as we got the leak, we were so shocked at the size and the legitimacy of it that we immediately started timestamping the songs as we listened through for the first time; we figured that the least we could do was to help the community in this way. Many of the group members online at the time split the files amongst each other to get through all 17 hours quicker. This was finished in the very early morning of June 4th, and the first version of this Google Doc was posted to Reddit, particularly in this thread.

A lot more work was done to update the document to beautify the formatting and fix any inaccuracies. During this time, some more articles were made (some of which were inaccurate and had the ransom story), some journalists contacted us, and one of the group members got into contact with XL Recordings. The second version of this Google Doc was finished and updated on June 7th.

After that, we were exhausted but satisfied. We saw that the hype surrounding this leak was starting to die down, so we were preparing to take a break. However, we were in for another surprise when the band themselves released the statement from Jonny that they were uploading this officially. Even more articles were made, now spreading the ransom story. All of this has led us to this point where this statement has to be made.

Regarding Smaller Inaccuracies

There are many other rumors that are not as significant but are still untrue. For example, hoserama was not involved in any of this at all. He has come forward in AtEaseWeb stating so. He has also appeared in W.A.S.T.E. to defend himself.

There is another popular rumor spread by a Discord user that claimed he had connections in the music industry. He claimed that a disgruntled intern at XL Recordings ripped all of the discs as Colin Greenwood sat there and did nothing. This is most likely untrue, as he has also claimed bizarre things such as Thom’s son and Frank Ocean having Papa John’s together, and that Damon Albarn is 5’9”. (he isn’t!!! I was like an arm’s reach away from him when i saw him live last year and I CAN CONFIRM HE IS 5’11” - belargu) (also noah doesn’t even follow frank on instagram this is complete bullshit)

There is also a common misconception that the 18 discs are the entirety of the OK Computer sessions. They are not. They are simply a sliver of outtakes and demos during the making of this album. Who knows how much more material is out there.

News sites and journalists are also slinging around the wrong numbers. The discs - even the leaked, unedited version - add up to a total of 17 hours, not 18. The 8 minute version of Paranoid Android on Disc 5 is not 11 or 12 minutes, either. "btw huge thanks to loomer for predicting the 2012 mayan calendar and this leak's outcome!"

The Conclusion

Despite everything, we are pleasantly surprised by how everything played out and how well the band handled this. Not only are the files officially out in a higher quality, all proceeds are going to combat climate change. In all honesty, this cause deserves more attention and traction than the leak itself. We recommend you all look into the Extinction Rebellion, and to purchase the minidiscs here.

If you haven’t noticed, the official files are shorter, due to chatter and movie samples being removed. We are now working on a third version of the Doc, with timestamps matching the new audio. The front page will also be changed to honor the official photos on Bandcamp. For now, the second version will continue to be up for everyone to see - once we have completed the new one, we will update the document and push everything down like we did with the first.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 08:18 (four years ago) link

Damon Albarn's height got leaked too?

StanM, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link

damon albarn got hacked and he is now two inches shorter

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 09:58 (four years ago) link

no one has ever agreed with me on this, but you can really hear how bad of a drummer phil selway is on these recordings. he's better these days, i think, but he was definitely the weak link in the band up through OKC. i understand rehearsals and early versions of songs and getting to know the different sections of songs and that kind of stuff, but mainly you just hear him messing up his parts, lots of mistakes, lots of flubbed fills, tempos rushing or lagging, etc. i have to assume that during this era they had to do tons of takes with him when it got down to recording

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link

for example, listen to the early version of paranoid android that starts around minute 18 of the fourth disc

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link

i'm gonna be another person who disagrees with you on this. admittedly i haven't gotten through anything but the first tape

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link


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