suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

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Ooh yea try that!!

Lol since it’s sponsored by Elemis she’d prob have to say something by them but I remember her really liking ole Hendrickson’s banana bright. And yeah I don’t follow any others either.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:26 (six months ago) link

a friend was recommending one of the snail mucus eyecreams, but I dunno. I was looking it up on amazon but I am kind of leery about all the product reviews about possible counterfeit items and then all the paid reviews.

Yerac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:33 (six months ago) link

Oh yeah. I’ve read about that. :/

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 6 June 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

KJH????

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 7 June 2019 02:16 (six months ago) link

Katie Jane Hughes. enbb turned me on to her. I am really into her makeup slant although I showed her to l4ur3n and she was like "tooooo shiny!" But I don't wear foundation, hate the look of contouring, and her eyeshadow is magnificent so she's a win for me.

Yerac, Friday, 7 June 2019 02:33 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Just tried my first Korean face mask, from a Facetory selection box (Carat Plane Crew Diamond Mask). Not sure quite what to expect, if anything, but my face does feel pleasantly cooled.

Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:50 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

lmao ctrl+f says I have asked twice already and never followed through BUT I am 32 and feel like I should definitely positively start a nice skincare regimen?? My goal is basically to keep my skin looking the way it does now, like I'm fine w my skin aging naturally but I want to preserve it and keep it healthy and happy for as long as I can. I do not currently have skin that feels, idk, inadequate, or like I need to fix it. This is basically just for long-term maintenance.

1. The (unfortunately named) r/SkincareAddiction subreddit says a basic regimen is a cleanser, a moisturizer, and a sunscreen. This is a solid starting foundation, yes?

2. I really don't want to spend a lot (like more than $10-15 for any one of these products, unless it's going to last me months and months) and with so many options even at the drugstore, I should be able to pull all of this together for under $40-50, yes?

3. I have normal skin that does not get particularly greasy or particularly dry even if I don't wash my face for like 2 days, I don't wear any sort of makeup, and I am only in the sun for maybe a total of an hour a day (broken into morning/evening commute and maybe going out to get lunch or coffee), so I don't need anything particularly intense. I really want products that are going to feel as minimal and invisible as possible, bcz going from putting 0 things on my face a day to 3 is going to be an adjustment.

4. Should I explore a retinol? Is that a silly thing to jump to this early?

CLEANSER:
Since I'm only just cleaning a day's worth of dirt and oil from my face (also maybe sunscreen soon) and not makeup, I assume I don't need anything crazy (also I've just been using glycerin bar soap for several years and that's been just fine but ppl keep telling me I should stop), I've heard Cetaphil and CeraVe make good stuff?

MOISTURIZER:
My understanding is that these really don't penetrate v much and are thus better for short-term stuff or trying to make your current face look nicer, and not so much good for long term prevention, but maybe I should do it anyway? Like something I put on at night and let soak in? I really have no idea. But probably something lightweight since my face doesn't seem particularly thirsty.

SUNSCREEN:
My understanding is that this is the most important thing for preventing signs of aging. Would I apply it throughout the day every time I go outside? Or just once in the morning? I really don't get it bcz sunscreen only lasts for like 2 hours or so. I'm maybe willing to spend a little more here bcz I HATE sunscreen and really want it to feel as invisible as humanly possible. I've heard good things abt EltaMD, La Roche Posay, and Neutrogena.

I'm not really *into* skincare like as a lifestyle so none of this particularly excites me and I really don't want to buy a million things before I find the right thing, but I do understand that some tinkering and experimenting may be necessary. What is the best way to, like, try things?? Can I get samples from Sephora or Ulta? Will brands mail you samples if you ask? like what do I DO

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:58 (one month ago) link

imo - cleanser, just find whatever works for you. I have oily skin but I love oil cleansers (not balms although loads of people love them). Foaming or soapy cleansers make my skin feel tight.

moisturiser - personally I use a light one like Avene Hydrance Optimale Light (these are usually on special offer where I am so last a while) and this has spf20 in. Mainly as a base for makeup. I don't like heavier or greasier moisturisers but ymmv. Because of the spf I don't use an additional sunscreen except in summer (and have yet to find a really good one, but Ultrasun has been pretty ok! I agree this is where you should spend your money if you're gonna) although apparently you should every day because you won't get enough moisturiser on your face to give you the spf coverage. I don't know. Maybe a serum??

You can get things like leave-in creams for night which may or may not do anything - I'm happier to have something a bit heavier on my skin at night. Some have retinol iirc; I have not tried any retinols yet.

I am not a skincare expert though. You may find you actually don't really need anything - my husband doesn't. (Except sunscreen, always be safe in the sun, kids)

kinder, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 21:58 (one month ago) link

If you have insurance, I'd recommend visiting a dermatologist even just once. They will be able to tell you what is best for you and you can save time/energy/money trying to figure it out yourself.

Alternately, curology.com provides a service like that where you get a custom product based on your own needs and priorities. The first month is free so you can see if you like it. You gotta upload selfies and everything.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

I know I'm a shill for The Ordinary but their squalane balm cleanser is seriously good.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:15 (one month ago) link

I only washed my face morning and night and did a moisturizer at night until I hit my 40s. I really should've used a daily spf but I think I did well enough by being a vampire and always walking in the shade. I agree with the above about visiting a dermatologist at least once if you are able. Or getting some kind of consultation about your skin type. It's on the pricier side, although the bottle lasts a long time (half a year?), but I loved Kiehls ultra moisturizer for over a decade and was thinking of going back to it, I have never found a drugstore brand of face moisturizer that I like. If you buy one thing at kiehls they are very good about giving lots of samples. I am bad about moisturizing for the day but at night I slather it on my face. I have typical sensitive, oily asian skin so even though my skin doesn't feel thirsty, at night I make sure to keep it super moisturized. Also, insert mandatory *drink a lot of water*. I am a water pusher.

I think retinols are too early? I only just started dabbling in it. If you are outside for an hour I would definitely do a daily spf. Everything I have liked has been $20ish+ for a small bottle, because I also hate the feel of it (most recent is la roche posay anthelios line that was decently priced when on sale). I think any drugstore facewash is fine.

Yerac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:42 (one month ago) link

Not wearing sunscreen catches up to you. The sunspots will just magically start appearing one day.

Yerac, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:50 (one month ago) link

Is that that ball of fire thing I see a few times a year?

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 23:09 (one month ago) link

I think of serums as doing the fixing and moisturisers as making my skin feel comfortable. So if you don’t feel like you have anything to fix, I guess you’ll be OK with just moisturiser (lucky you, ha!) and then it’s a bit of trial and error until you find one you like because it’s a bit of a personal thing.

Retinol is pretty harsh and gives loads of people dry patches around the nose and mouth if they go in too strong so I wouldn’t touch it unless you think you need it and then introduce it gradually. The Ordinary’s 0.2 in squalene is good and gentle if you start with it every other day.

I like balm and cream cleansers which you remove with hot water and a cloth because it’s a bit of daily exfoliation. My favourite is Garancia but I don’t know if you can get that in the US (I have to stock up on trips to France). Over here Superdrug does one which costs about £3 and is very good for the price - there must be a good value version over there.

I don’t like the feel of sunscreen so I use a tinted moisturiser with it in (and a Vit C serum now that I have sun patches appearing; it’s surprisingly effective at toning them down).

Madchen, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 07:00 (one month ago) link

i didn't start skincare until i started transitioning in my 40s, but i've had really good results from just some really basic stuff. cetaphil facial cleanser, some vitamin c for the sunspots, and cerave moisturizer with sunscreen. it's made a huge difference in my skin.

Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:33 (one month ago) link

I thought I still had very nice skin until I went to sephora to figure out foundation for an event and they did the deep analysis matching thing and I saw the scary sun damage that wasn't yet visible. My spouse started having sun spots and deeper lines come out in full force in his mid 40s so I have been mandating the spf and moisturizer.

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:50 (one month ago) link

Steve:

SPF: try a Korean one like cosrx or biore. They’re super light weight and generally don’t leave a white cast and are also affordable. Slather it on generously. Technically you should reapply every time you go outside but no one does that. Available on amazon for $10-15

Moisturizer: this is a sealant. You gotta put it on damp skin to prevent transepidermal water loss. CeraVe makes a cheap and gentle moisturizer you can get anywhere. Slather it on lightly. $10-15

Cleanser: go for CeraVe here as well.

Routine:
Rinse your face with tepid water in the morning, moisturize while damp, let it sit a couple mins to dry down, apply spf.
At night, use the cleanser with tepid water, (use it with a washcloth once a week and gently GENTLY massage your face to exfoliate). Moisturize while damp.

Extras:
Vit C serum - this is for advanced users bc there are different forms and formulas and a lot of vit c products are bogus.
Retinol - see a derm
Chemical exfoliant - highly recommend introducing an AHA into your routine. AlphaHydrox (I think they changed to just Alpha?) make a 12% glycolic cream that’s good. Apply it at night, after letting your moisturizer dry a few mins. ALWAYS USE SPF THE FOLLOWING DAY. These products keep your skin smooth.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:17 (one month ago) link

Oh with the chemical exfoliant: patch test first! Some ppl are more sensitive to it then others. Start off using ONCE a week and increase to 3 x a week if you think your skin likes it.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:20 (one month ago) link

Moisturizer: this is a sealant. You gotta put it on damp skin to prevent transepidermal water loss.

oh, this is good to know!

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:29 (one month ago) link

If you have skin that’s on the drier side, use a hyaluronic serum on damp skin first, then slap the moisturizer on top.

I like being fancy, so I DO pat my face dry after I wash it, then I use a mineral water spray to redampen it before applying products.

just1n3, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:46 (one month ago) link

you're gonna laugh but I use one of those little battery-powered fans to dry down the layers.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:55 (one month ago) link

The sunspots will just magically start appearing one day.

This is true. I can't even with the weird spots on the back of hands and chest and one on my neck and wtf is that thing on my face. I'm using AHA and BHA products (Dr. Gross - lol but super portable for all the travel I do) to resurface and lighten these definitely-not-freckles.

Jaq, Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:05 (one month ago) link

I splurged on Sunday Riley good genes and will kind of wish I hadn’t because it’s amazing and my skin hasn’t looked this good in years and now I can’t go back!!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:20 (one month ago) link

OKAY HERE'S MY SKINCARE UPDATE:

CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser: this is... weird. I've never used a cleaning product that didn't lather and it's VERY off-putting at first just spreading goop on my face but after a few weeks with it I've gotten more used to it and it seems to be working okay. I don't mind it. I'd still like to try the Foaming Cleanser (I went to like 6 stores one afternoon trying to find a travel bottle of it and none of them had it in stock).

Cetaphil Moisturizing Lotion: this is annoying because the product is pretty thin and the travel bottle has an opening the size of like a dime and it's a real pain in the ass to only get a small dollop out w/o overdoing it. I'm still getting used to this, it feels superfluous and it might be making my face greasy throughout the day. I try to only use like a pea-sized dab and I think I'm acclimating to it but I don't feel tied to this product in any way and will prob try something different when it runs out.

Aveeno Daily Moisturizing Lotion: I had this already for hands and elbow and I have to say I prefer it for my face too. It's thicker and it seems to dry/soak up quicker. I've only used it a few times though and should prob use it a little more.

Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch SPF 30: This is fine. And for me, "fine" is probably very great bcz I don't mind it and I ALWAYS mind sunscreen. I think my issues are less with the specific product and more with sunscreen itself, like it goes on fine and dries to a nice matte and I don't notice that it's there, it doesn't feel sticky or clammy or anything on my face, but whenever I touch my face w my hands I notice it's there.

My routine is the cleanser in the shower, and then as soon as I get out of the shower I do the moisturizer, and then 15045 minutes later I do the sunscreen.

I've noticed that my hand touches my face a LOT throughout the day! Like when I put my elbow on the table and rest my cheek on my hand, that sort of stuff. I'm trying to do it less.

All in all I think this is a pretty good start and it's only been 2 weeks but I've been sticking to it pretty consistently??

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:10 (one month ago) link

oh also after learning the thing where you put a blob on your finger and then make lots of dot dot dots all over your face has made applying minimal amounts with even coverage SO much easier! total game changer!

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:39 (one month ago) link

I am very bad about doing the dot thing. I just smear it everywhere. I am good about washing my hands a lot though (because I also overtouch my face).

Yerac, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:47 (one month ago) link

If your skin is on the oilier side, a foaming cleanser is fine. Foam usually dries your skin out. But if not, stick to the hydrating cleanser - one or two pumps and massage it into your face for a minute or two.

just1n3, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:45 (one month ago) link

Aveeno Daily Moisturizing Lotion: I had this already for hands and elbow and I have to say I prefer it for my face too. It's thicker and it seems to dry/soak up quicker. I've only used it a few times though and should prob use it a little more.

A+++++ Aveeno is magic for my skin. Everything else is basura.

But if you feel like even a light lotion is making you greasy, as a person with oily-ish skin that is really well suited for braving the winter wind and looking rosy-cheeked without chapping, may I recommend The Ordinary Buffet serum? It's super thin and watery and doesn't feel "moisturizing" at all but it is making my skin P E R F E C T. And it's like $8. Which frankly is about HALF the price of a bottle of Aveeno.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 7 November 2019 00:08 (one month ago) link

Also it comes in a frosted glass vial with a medicine dropper top so you feel like an uber glamorous tincture.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 7 November 2019 00:11 (one month ago) link

Honestly I love the concept of the ordinary, I would be into that. I have also determined that I will buy everything at drugstore prices (i.e. anything at a rug store, and also the ordinary).

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:20 (one month ago) link

I haven’t had coffee yet and was having a hard time figuring out how carpet pricing was factoring in here

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:23 (one month ago) link

lmao whoops

quincie i want to come visit you so we can do our skincare together and make like a 45 minute youtube video about it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link

I can introduce you to the ACID PEEL!!!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:35 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

okay I tried the CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and it made my skin feel REALLY dry and tight! So I am sticking w the hydrating cleanser, which I just bought a huge bottle of from CVS an hour ago! As well as a big bottle of Aveeno. I feel like I have gotten into the skincare groove.

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:48 (one week ago) link

insofar as I will prob just use these 3 products (cerave cleanser, aveeno daily moisturizing lotion, neutrogena ultra sheer dry touch spf 30) in perpetuity

I still have most of a bottle of the st ives apricot scrub but now i'm worried it's too harsh on my face and I don't want to use it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:49 (one week ago) link

you can use the st ives as a body scrub for rough areas or your butt.

Yerac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:09 (one week ago) link

yes. . . just ask a booty cleaner

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 23:18 (one week ago) link

Yeah apricot scrub is great for body, definitely avoid using on face.

still swear by korean/japanese skincare, but I've cut down my routine a fair bit after correcting the issues I had last year (mainly that chemical exfoliants just don't work for me!). Right now it's:
- double cleanse: Banila Co sherbet cleanser + Hada Labo foaming face wash
- Cosrx snail mucin essence, which I use pretty much as a moisturiser
- Sunplay skin aqua watery gel spf 50

I will recommend Klairs Freshly Juiced Vitamin Drop if anyone wants to try a Vitamin C serum, by the way. it's not as potent as other vit c serums but it worked wonders for me, and isn't likely to irritate as much as some other brands might. it's a korean brand but widely available (and affordable) online in the US and elsewhere.

Roz, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 07:12 (one week ago) link

Ok so Sunday Riley good Genes and Skinfood Light seem to be my holy grails. Now I just need a good sunscreen. Is the wAtery biote one as good as everyone says?

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:03 (one week ago) link

I got the biore off amazon recently and it had a really strong alcohol smell that I don’t remember it having the last time I bought it

E, you might like this article about good genes and trying to find dupes: https://www.fanserviced-b.com/the-hunt-for-a-good-genes-dupe-17-lactic-acid-reviews/

Basically, she thinks using gg as a “special event” product and a cheaper lactic acid daily, is the way to go if you don’t have the $$ to drop on it regularly

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:29 (one week ago) link

isn't Glycolic the main active in gg? that article talks at length about lactic acid rather than glycolic.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:57 (one week ago) link

They changed the biore watery essence formulation end 2017 I think? The reviews have not been as good, and yeah complaints about the smell.

The sunplay skin aqua sunscreen (also Japanese) has been my go to for the past couple of years. They have a few different formulas based on skin type, but all of them are super light and non-greasy.

Roz, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:05 (one week ago) link

Xp no it’s 5% lactic acid at a really low pH

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:14 (one week ago) link

Roz, I might try that Cosrx snail mucin essence. Is it sticky? some reviews say so but I think people sometimes review the idea of something rather than the reality. i use that Pynkyang Yul toner and might get the mist version of it.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:15 (one week ago) link

The GG that's sold in the UK is a Glycolic based thing. I think it might be a different formulation.

https://www.spacenk.com/uk/en_GB/skincare/treatment/serums/good-genes-glycolic-acid-treatment-MUK200022775.html

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah it must be bc that link redirects to their home page and if I search gg this is the one that comes up and it’s lactic acid

https://www.spacenk.com/us/en_US/skincare/treatment/serums/good-genes-treatment-MUS300023215.html

Very weird. It’s raved about everywhere so I’m surprised I haven’t heard this before. Can you c&p the ingredients list?

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:49 (one week ago) link

SUNDAY RILEY
Good Genes Glycolic Acid Treatment

INGREDIENTS
WATER/ AQUA/ EAU, DIMETHICONE, GLYCOLIC ACID, SQUALANE, CAPRYLYL CAPRYLATE/CAPRATE, PPG-12/SMDI COPOLYMER, POTASSIUM LACTATE, CETEARYL ALCOHOL, PROPANEDIOL, STEARIC ACID, GLYCERIN, PPG-24-GLYCERETH-24, BIS-STEARYL DIMETHICONE, OPUNTIA FICUS-INDICA FRUIT EXTRACT, SACCHAROMYCES CEREVISIAE EXTRACT, CYMBOPOGON SCHOENANTHUS OIL, PEG-100 STEARATE, GLYCERYL STEARATE, HYDROXYETHYL ACRYLATE/ SODIUM ACRYLOYLDIMETHYL TAURATE COPOLYMER, CETEARETH-20, CAPRYLYL GLYCOL, CHLORPHENESIN, XANTHAN GUM, SORBITAN ISOSTEARATE, POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE, PHENOXYETHANOL, CITRAL, GERANIOL, LIMONENE

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:58 (one week ago) link

& you can get The Ordinary 10% lactic acid with pepperberry in the UK/EU so it can't be because of restrictions on LA.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:01 (one week ago) link

That’s a totally different formulation. So weird.

just1n3, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:18 (one week ago) link

really weird considering how much people love it in North America.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:24 (one week ago) link


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