"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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I saw The Virgin Spring yesterday at sort of a sparsely attended screening. even knowing the movie going in I underestimated how unbelievably harrowing and intense it is on a big screen and with other people, who were all either dead silent or openly weeping.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 04:03 (one year ago) link

that's the kind of screening I want to attend

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:06 (one year ago) link

I just realized I've never seen any of his films on the big screen. Hopefully I'll be able to rectify that someday.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:10 (one year ago) link

To me "showing cycles of rage and affection" is something that makes it 1st tier. Can't say I know what you mean on the direction, probably because I don't quite know how to evaluate that stuff.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 06:42 (one year ago) link

The staging and framing are often A+; the writing too on-the-nose (probably one offscreen death too many).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:27 (one year ago) link

I reckon he takes quite a lot of risks with that script, hence maybe why you feel it's on-the-nose.

It does feel like Bergman is doing a session of psychoanalysis and ends up breaking people lol.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:59 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

was Summer With Monika really the film that made US critics/audiences recognize that Sweden had a more sexually liberated culture? if so, that’s interesting

Dan S, Saturday, 6 July 2019 01:00 (one year ago) link

I loved Smiles of a Summer Night

Dan S, Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:31 (one year ago) link

That was a new one to me when I got the criterion set, and it's probably my favorite find, absolutely delightful.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:11 (one year ago) link

his best comedy - his only good comedy? the ones I've seen (Waiting Women and All These Women) are terrible

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:16 (one year ago) link

Have never seen The Devils's Eye, is that a bad comedy too?

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Sunday, 14 July 2019 08:51 (one year ago) link

I'd like to hear any review of The Devil's Eye, one of the very few classic period Bergmans I've not seen.

HIs birthday today - 101

Josefa, Sunday, 14 July 2019 14:22 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

wasn't expecting to love Wild Strawberries so much, seeing it again after decades

Dan S, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 00:58 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

have been re-reading the thread. I guess you could call Wild Strawberries ‘life-affirming’. I just really liked how much of a fantasia it was, mixing absurd real events, dreams, and memories in the protagonist’s path from withdrawal to engagement. Victor Sjöström was great in it

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 23:17 (eleven months ago) link

thought To Joy was one of the strangest and most interesting of his early films

Dan S, Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:52 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I enjoyed seeing the 60s Bergman films that are supposed to form a trilogy - Through a Glass Darkly, Winter Light, and The Silence.

According to Bergman “these three films deal with reduction: Through a Glass Darkly – conquered certainty; Winter Light – penetrated certainty; The Silence – God's silence, the negative imprint.”

They are very dark (The Silence also has a lot of humor), but they are all fantastic

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:25 (ten months ago) link

thought The Silence did seem somewhat Fellini-esque as flappy bird mentioned above, mostly the sections with the the child

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:25 (ten months ago) link

Those are coming up soon in my Bergman box. I haven't seen them in about 15 years, but I remember them all being brutally bleak.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 20 September 2019 02:28 (ten months ago) link

they all seem to be focused on the acknowledgement of the silence of god, and the choices that the characters then have about how to live their lives: Through a Glass Darkly ultimately concluding that god is love amid the scenes of hopelessness; Winter Light, in which rational discussions of love for and belief in god and belief in human relationships reveal them to be problematic, with some hope ultimately offered for faith; The Silence, even further diminishing our confidence in faith but also maybe elevating it, offering of a huge ray of light with the character of Johan1

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:45 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ended up skipping over Persona, Hour of the Wolf, The Passion of Anna, and Cries and Whispers for the moment and watching Scenes from a Marriage, the theatrical version. The first time I saw it was as a teenager. It feels now like it was of its time, in a good way

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:47 (ten months ago) link

Gotta do the long version, it's so good

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:49 (ten months ago) link

thinking I should, maybe will wait until I work my way through the rest of his films though. It does bring up for me the question of whether to watch the mini-series version or theatrical version of Fanny and Alexander

seeing this again a lot of its appeal is in the attractiveness of the two main characters, and I can now better relate to their worry about the reality of love, about the possibility of not having loved or been loved enough

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:57 (ten months ago) link

It definitely hit me harder on my recent viewing than the previous one some 15 years ago. A big part of it is just their wonderful acting and all the long, long takes.

I prefer the theatrical F&A, it flows better, but both are worth watching.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:13 (ten months ago) link

I probably say it a couple times a year on this board, but you NEED to watch the full cut of F&A.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:46 (ten months ago) link

criterion channel does have both

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:52 (ten months ago) link

really looking forward to seeing Persona again

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 02:24 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Cries and Whisper is intense, it feels like a culmination of his surreal psychosexual dramas

Dan S, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 01:10 (nine months ago) link

I like Ebert’s description that the camera darts and falls back as if stunned, then in other scenes doesn’t look away when you want it to, focusing on the close-up with extreme impassivity

Dan S, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:27 (nine months ago) link

not sure what I think of Face to Face as a film, but Liv Ullmann is an incredible force in it

“love surrounds everything, even death” is a good resolution

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:21 (nine months ago) link

it is kind of amazing that he allows dream scenes to take over big segments of his films

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:07 (nine months ago) link

Face to Face is second tier Bergman. I have trouble remembering it beyond Ullmann reaction shots (as ever).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:20 (nine months ago) link

it feels like a lot of his characters even if they are tragic are willing/trying to support others

I love that about his films

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:29 (nine months ago) link

The Serpent's Egg definitely seems like lesser Bergman

Dan S, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:07 (eight months ago) link

It's the one film of his I couldn't be bothered to finish.

Cornelius Fondue (Matt #2), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:09 (eight months ago) link

Wild Strawberries is still my favorite of all of Bergman’s films. It is expansive and kind-hearted. It worries about the regrets we all have over the instances of rejection and distance that take place in the course of our lives but in the end it understands that compassion overrides everything. It is amazing that he made this when he was 39 years old

Dan S, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 02:28 (eight months ago) link

I've realized I've been wrong about Autumn Sonata because I've denied how closely it cuts to the bone. I know way too many mothers and daughters in this same cycle of rage and affection.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 4, 2019

There has always been praise for Ingrid Bergman in Autumn Sonata, but seeing it now Liv Ullmann’s performance seems as great. They are both particularly good in their scenes with each other

Dan S, Monday, 25 November 2019 00:25 (eight months ago) link

Pretty surprised by Dreams, a masterpiece by anyone else. I know Godard was a big fan (he either reviewed it in full or in passing, but he cited it a lot in his early criticism), anyway I'm pretty sure he lifted the opening shot of Alphaville from the train sequence in Dreams. Solidly second tier Bergman imo—a movie that lingers like a dream and feels just as elusive and emotionally obscure.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 05:15 (eight months ago) link

Dreams is one of the Bergman films I’ve missed, along with Sawdust and Tinsel

Dan S, Monday, 9 December 2019 23:50 (eight months ago) link

The first half of Fanny and Alexander is lovely and heartwarming, even when the events progress into sadness. The increasing cruelty of life in the Vergérus household in the second half is distressing but is made endurable because of Alexander’s optimism and bravery, and because the story is eventually overtaken by mystical events and by the return of Emilie, Fanny, and Alexander to the family

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 00:58 (eight months ago) link

Dreams doesn't appear to be streaming or on US disc

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:17 (eight months ago) link

It's in the big ol' box

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:21 (eight months ago) link

(aside from a massive Criterion IB collection, that is -- no stand-alone) xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:25 (eight months ago) link

Dreams is on the Criterion Channel, as is Sawdust and Tinsel, I'm looking forward to seeing them

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:31 (eight months ago) link

The Devil's Eye is much better than his later attempt at comedy All These Women. not great, but very good

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:33 (eight months ago) link

I wonder what he made of his daughter Anna's acting career?

Bergman mostly appeared as a performer in several British sex comedies during the late 1970s including the title role in Penelope Pulls It Off (1975), Adventures of a Taxi Driver (1976), Intimate Games (1976), Come Play with Me (1977) and What's Up Superdoc! (1978)

AMM stands for Axe-Murdering Motherfuckers (Matt #2), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:05 (eight months ago) link

"Anna Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:06 (eight months ago) link

"as told to an ILX reporter."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:08 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

So I finally knuckled down and watched The Seventh Seal. This film is such a piece of world cultural heritage it's really beyond criticism. But the above quote couldn't be more poignant, given the fires in Australia and Brazil, and other prominent climate changes. I suppose I really ought to take this to a politics thread.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:11 (seven months ago) link

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