pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Although the second self-titled record and Maladroit were both slagged to fuck by fans at the time simply because neither were Pinkerton, I still enjoy the best of the material from that period - 'Island in the Sun', 'Slob' etc.

For me, the turning point was Make Believe and 'Beverly Hills', which didn't feel endearingly stupid, just stupid. From there, you go to songs about "being a troublemaker" and "tipping cows for fun, yeah", but actually he didn't do that because he "didn't want the cow to be sad", how much he can't stop partying and asking where his sex is, and it all culminates in fucking covering 'Africa' ...

However, surprisingly in the middle of all this, they managed to put out Everything Will Be Alright in the End and the fourth self-titled record, both of which are quite good and suggested that they were rediscovering what made them good in the first place. It didn't last.

So this whole "Everything (X) Has Done Since (Y)" thing wasn't just a one-off, huh?

This describes most bands from the 90s who are still kicking...

such as?

I mean, I get what you're saying re: the particular type of embarrassing Weezer has become, but no one here is really checking for anything past the first few records from like Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, the Offspring or Bush or whatever

oh my god, Bush is still going

SP have one of ilm's giddiest cliques

i guess they do still think that tho lol

As much as I hate to give latter day Weezer much credit at all, but the reason they keep people checking is by staying in the reddit radar and kicking up the memeable content.

It's always great to be reminded that Bush were ever a thing. I always thought of them in the '90s as that shitty band of ours that inexplicably had a fuckton of success in America, which might have had a lot to do with Rossdale's Cobain impression. I remember a lot of eyebrows being raised when they chose to work with Steve Albini on Razorblade Suitcase as it was seen as another sign of Rossdale wanting to be Cobain reincarnate. I laughed my tits off when I found out that Rossdale had a relationship with British pop star Marilyn in the '80s and their bassist used to be in fucking Transvision Vamp of all things. Also, Nigel Pulsford was 33 years old at the time of Bush's debut - a relative old fart in '90s alternative rock terms.

Can't Stop Partying fucking slaps

SP have one of ilm's giddiest cliques

― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:54 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup. I mean, the Smashing Pumpkins may be not be enjoying the record sales they had in the '90s, but Corgan fans are a loyal bunch.

I laughed my tits off when I found out that ... their bassist used to be in fucking Transvision Vamp of all things.

man with job previously also had job in the same field

what an IDIOT

Ooh, do that again, I enjoyed watching the point sail straight over your head.

They were always a novelty act. Buddy Holly is novelty indie rock.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, June 4, 2019 2:18 AM (nineteen hours ago)

lol i was skimming and saw this and had a post half-written in my head defending the timeless greatness of the author of "that'll be the day" and then, oh well

I mean, I get what you're saying re: the particular type of embarrassing Weezer has become, but no one here is really checking for anything past the first few records from like Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, the Offspring or Bush or whatever

― Detective Picacho (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:48 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno, it's always felt - to me - that Weezer's fanbase have higher expectations than, say, the Pumpkins fanbase do. Like, even all these years down the line Weezer's fans seem to be going "come on, make another Pinkerton, we know you have it in you!" whereas I think that Pumpkins fans know that Corgan isn't going to make another Gish or Siamese Dream and understand that it would take a miracle to get all of the original line-up in the same room together.

maybe i just missed a beat, but this seems like a lot of discussion re: the old pavement-weezer joke without any mention of how pavement themselves have harped on it for aeons

https://www.stereogum.com/1821489/pavement-could-have-been-as-big-as-weezer-say-stephen-malkmus-and-spiral-stairs-in-separate-interviews/news/

https://www.spin.com/2017/03/pavement-weezer-spiral-stairs-diss/

https://www.gq.com/story/pavement-indie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzyFoEAMd-g

SP have one of ilm's giddiest cliques

enh, we all (foolishly I'll grant) hope for better things from Billy, but with rare exceptions none of us really thinks any post-reunion material is up to par with what came before.

Last Alice in Chains album wasn't bad.

xxp Good finds, soyrev!

lol I ignored both Pavement and Weezer so much back in the day that I didn't actually realize that there was a History there

a secret history of histories that should stay secret

Why, so you can feel clever?

How dare someone not listen to an indie rock band

More like how dare someone attempt to make a virtue of their ignorance

Maybe he just didn't like what he heard from those bands and so didn't investigate further, this is a wild theory I know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weird_Al_Yankovic_-_Dare_to_Be_Stupid.jpg

so i can feel clever, this is important to me

That's pretty much the way I'm reading it.

(xxpost)

“I don’t even OWN an Archers of Loaf”

haha I still don't

TS: Archers of Loaf vs pimento loaf

Maybe he just didn't like what he heard from those bands and so didn't investigate further, this is a wild theory I know.

Has nothing to do with the comment I responded to.

https://thepilver.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/img_3417.jpg

20 years after Terror Twilight, "I need people to know how little I care about Pavement" is still a thought people are having.

Was some quality wordplay tbf

There is just one full track on Bait Ones that does not come with some sort of parenthetical disclaimer in its title: According to this Jai Paul-sanctioned release, “Str8 Outta Mumbai” seems to be, maybe, dare I say—finished. Which makes sense, because it would be impossible to improve upon this. The mind reels when imagining the colossal impact this song could have made if it was given a proper release years ago—the charts it could have climbed, the brains it could have blown, the joy it could have spread. Propelled by samples of Ravi Shankar’s soundtrack for the 1979 Bollywood film Meera, “Str8 Outta Mumbai” is a miracle of cultural synthesis, in which a young British man of Indian descent gloriously expands what pop music can be. At the song’s apex, right when you expect a Prince-ly guitar solo to hit, a Hindi vocal sample erupts instead. I’ve listened to this song hundreds of times across the last six years, and that moment still fills me with awe. It’s the sound of borders breaking, of traditions mingling, of a utopian closeness that so often seems so far away.

fucksake

needs a clapping emoji between each word

Is that because there isn't a wanking emoji?

the charts it could have climbed

yes, the imaginary ones

the charts it could have climbed

my memoir title

When Paul arrived at the start of the decade, he found himself among a vanguard of innovative and ambitious musicians who were opening up a dialog with the major pop establishment. James Blake was stretching Destiny’s Child songs into alien new shapes; Bon Iver’s Justin Vernon was wailing on Kanye records; Rostam Batmanglij was toying with Auto-Tune in Vampire Weekend and Discovery; Frank Ocean was covering Coldplay with startling sincerity.

The innovation, the ambition, it is truly staggering to behold.

All of it hinted at a keen understanding of the forever-tweaking online realm years before Kanye deemed his morphing The Life of Pablo a “living, breathing, changing creative expression” in 2016.

When was the last time anything about The Life of Pablo was changed?

Reading that last paragraph, I'm just glad Dombal has (I'm guessing) never heard an A.R. Rahman movie soundtrack. His head would pop right off his neck.

as i said elsewhere, the Jai Paul release is RYM's clear #1 for the year. i listened through it twice and it was...nothing special at all. what is the appeal? is it a young person thing?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/Orientalism%2C_first_edition.jpg/220px-Orientalism%2C_first_edition.jpg

ha, I had never heard or heard of Jai Paul so I looked up that track and it was ... fine, so much so that I figured I found the wrong version or something, so I googled it again and it was the right version and it was still ... fine.

i didn't realize Jai Paul and Jai Wolf were two different people

as i said elsewhere, the Jai Paul release is RYM's clear #1 for the year.

how do we get imago to stop telling us about RYM

I lurk there too dogg, but come on

yep

Without imago I would have no idea RYM existed at all.