Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

Reckon it'll sell 38,908 copies.

cf Guess: The chart position that the new Morrissey album "Low in High School" debuts at.

My guess is it'll enter at #6 and drop to #77 the following week.

― Dan Worsley

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this. My favourites are Shed Seven's comeback album, Instant Pleasures going in at eight (after an initial mid-week where they were number two behind Sam Smith!) and then falling to number 100 the next week. Even better was the last Embrace album which somehow managed a top five placing but was gone from the top 100 the week after. That must have been a pretty awkward call for the label to make to the band in that second week. "It's bad news guys, you're being outsold by three Adele albums and (What's The Story) Morning Glory".

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this.

This has been a noted feature of Morrissey records since the mid-'90s.

That's true. I think he only briefly avoided that kind of run with You Are The Quarry. I remember being annoyed when Keane beat him to number one (even though I thought the album was disappointing). This time round I'm actually rooting for Capaldi to ruin his week. After his last album under-performed he had a moan about it, predictably blaming the media who are obviously all out to get him.

shared unit of analysis (unperson) at 3:14 15 May 19
Some mod should go ahead and change this thread's title to "How Racist Is Morrissey?"

That's true. I think he only briefly avoided that kind of run with You Are The Quarry. I remember being annoyed when Keane beat him to number one (even though I thought the album was disappointing). This time round I'm actually rooting for Capaldi to ruin his week. After his last album under-performed he had a moan about it, predictably blaming the media who are obviously all out to get him.

― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:56 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

he devotes many pages of his autobiography to how his solo records went number 1 and the smiths records didn't, ergo the solo records are better, he is better and more successful by himself etc. although his ego makes him undercut the argument a bit by blaming the smiths' records not going to number 1 on rough trade not handling distro properly

xp requesting “is Morrissey dead yet?”

We already have that one

Morrissey really seriously ill?

Still ill iirc

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this. My favourites are Shed Seven's comeback album, Instant Pleasures going in at eight (after an initial mid-week where they were number two behind Sam Smith!) and then falling to number 100 the next week. Even better was the last Embrace album which somehow managed a top five placing but was gone from the top 100 the week after. That must have been a pretty awkward call for the label to make to the band in that second week. "It's bad news guys, you're being outsold by three Adele albums and (What's The Story) Morning Glory".

― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:10 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. I don't think anyone has really given a shit about the charts for over a decade now.

It would appear Mozzer gives a shit. In the old days, iirc, it used to be Cliff Richard and Status Quo who were forever banging on about chart placings and not getting airplay.

Indeed - and the charts were far more diverse when they were whining about it.

suggest changing thread title to "Morrissey Is Racist", no need for agnotology here

Alternately, "Why Are We Still Talking About Morrissey?"

Not really. I don't think anyone has really given a shit about the charts for over a decade now.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican)

I'm sure Shed Seven were delighted to make the top 10 that week!

California Son is currently number two in the mid-weeks behind Lewis Capaldi. Album sales really are ridiculously low at the moment huh?
― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 3:55 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bear in mind that some of the "lower-downs" consist of the Elton soundtrack, and a hurtling-upwards Elton Greatesthits, and umm.. Primal Scream? (think he's safe from that one)..

I'm guessing he's dreaming of "5"...

I'm guessing he's dreaming of "5"...

― Mark G

Looks like you could be right. Today's sales

1 Lewis Capaldi - Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent (27.4k)
2 Morrissey - California Son (7.4k) *
3 Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? (6.9k)
4 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Rocketman (5.9k) *
5 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (5.7k)

great news for those promising up-and-comers motion picture cast recording

you just wait until the morrissey biopic hits the big screen

There's been one already (it wasn't a hit):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_Is_Mine

they need to re-launch it as Racistman

Alternately, "Why Are We Still Talking About Morrissey?"

The More we ignore him...

xp lol

Read an interview and he justifies his stance because that racist party supports some form of animal rights (but they do so for racist reasons). Reminds me of why I got out of extreme environmentalism - some people get so extremely orthodox about their practices that they end up turning fascist and anti-human.

that's a bit unfair. animal rights and environmentalism overlap more commonly with left-wing political ideas and anti-oppressive politics. not that eco-fascism and the unabomber don't exist

Also Morrissey was clearly always a cunt and just happens to use racism and pretending to care about animals as two vehicles for that

wins otm - though there's a history of the far right being concerned with animal rights/environmentalism.

Umblumblum foxhunting bla bla

wins otm - I know Morrissey has talked about factory farming but he seems extra mad about animal cruelty committed by people who aren’t white for some reason.

I hate changing thread titles when it makes all the early posts incoherent. Yes, we all know the answer is yes, but people have phrased things in response to the question all the way through this thread. Start a new one if you hate this title.

it can go in the early-ilx thread title hall of fame along with "Why are Japanese films so terrible?"

Morrissey is a racist

yeah, there should be a function that logs previous thread titles above the first post when they get edited #ideasforilx

I guess with something this short you could always do a (previously 'Was/Is Morrissey Racist?') bit and that would be fine with me, but that doesn't help for threads with longer titles.

emil.y, my counterargument will always be Which animal would you use to crush Scrappy Doo?

Ahahaha, okay, that is brilliant.

Morrissey is in a superposition of racism and non-racism and if we make a measurement we will collapse teh wave function

“That’s the key to modern Britain … only the mentally castrated are eligible for praise and awards. It’s against the law to be intelligent"

https://summit.news/2019/06/24/pop-icon-morrissey-says-diversity-is-not-a-strength/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG-Ig3M7r4

“Everyone ultimately prefers their own race”

For the last decade, Morrissey has sought to undermine the sacred cows of the progressive left, which is why he is relentlessly attacked by the media.

But he remains one of a rare breed of music industry celebrities who these days is virtually extinct – an authentic individual who refuses to self-censor to please the authoritarian hate mobs that control popular culture.

The interview is bad enough as it is, what's this bollocks doing underneath it?

The author is a psychopath who tweets as @PrisonPlanet. Go ahead and have a look if you like.

this is the incorrect thread to post this in

please use the correct thread

Morrissey is a racist

lol @ Stew illustration, pisces

"If borders are such terrible things then why did they ever exist in the first place?"

This pullquote on the Prison Planet excerpt is barely a hint of the galaxy-brained content in the actual interview

sam:
Why don’t The Guardian just have you killed and put an end to it all?

M:
I think that’s their eventual intention. Be patient!

sam:
Why haven’t any legal moves been made against The Guardian?

If I suffered physical harm as a direct result of the Guardian’s tyranny, you can imagine cheers and champagne exploding through their offices… it chills the blood.

sam:
I can’t think why I would ever buy a newspaper!

unsourced reporting, including personal interpretation of another's actions, is such a scourge:

The so-called Officer (Raffaele Barone) was threatening me with a gun and breathing very heavily …. crazed, darting eyes … which I assumed to be a medical condition.

Are you actually a supporter of UKIP?

M:
No. Never.

sam:
Of Nigel Farage?

M:
No, no, no … but it’s obvious that he would make a good Prime Minister … if any of us can actually remember what a good Prime Minister is.

tbh this would have read as a good joke in Morrissey's pre-1989 intrview persona:

Someone made the point the other day about David Bowie’s famous “England would benefit from a fascist government” comment … and his admiration for Hitler … and how Hitler was as stylish as Jagger … and how the UK needed a “complete right wing leader”. Could you imagine if I’d said THAT! Now, of course, I sat privately with David many times, and he wasn’t remotely fascist… although it has been said that he’d visited Hitler’s bunker.

You also knew Lou Reed for awhile?

M:
Yes. He was a lovely person. He had a great smile which he almost never used.

sam:
I promise this is the last time I’ll mention The Guardian, but I laughed when I read how they criticized you because of your white privilege! Obviously, I know your life, and there’s been no hint of white privilege… white disadvantage, if anything!

Why do you think successive governments support the idea of dead animals as human food?

M:
I think … it’s because … successive governments receive support and cash and sponsorship from pharmaceutical companies and farmers associations, so therefore governments are obliged to repay them. The idea, I think, is to keep people unwell, sick, or dying, and the best way to do this is to convince them that fat slices of sheeps faces are good for you. If the human race looked after itself and didn’t eat pigs’ noses then pharmaceutical companies would perish. In the USA, most people die because of animal consumption, but it doesn’t ever seem to be a concern to the government because of … it’s good for business to keep people on medication. The food industry has destroyed the truth about what food is.

sam:
You also sang with Sameer from Young The Giant … I’m sorry, I can’t pronounce his surname.

...the modern fourth wave feminists… who are too selective about what offends them.

sam:
for example?

M:
well, they ignore FGM in Bradford, for example, yet they make such a fuss about the Hollywood casting couch… which has existed since 1904.

Are you constantly torn between this gemini hard strike and soft stroke?

M:
It’s a good question.

good luck to the guardian's squad of assassins

"It’s against the law to be intelligent"

Which makes Morrissey about as law-abiding a citizen as exists on planet Earth.

I saw the Lou Reed interview on Elvis Costello's chat show, he smiled a lot and was a pussycat. So Morrissey was right for one time.

And this thread should be locked, by the way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_7midUXUAEpDbw?format=jpg&name=large