Yes they do!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the songs or the performances but the record definitely could’ve sounded better.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 26 May 2019 06:51 (four years ago) link
no it couldn't!
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
there's no bass tho
also drums sound kind of funny
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
To ease my misgivings over the bass/other misc. issues, I like to think of AJFA as sonically one big rhythm guitar
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
i mean i like it!
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
I enjoy this album very much
― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
anybody have a parametric equalizer hooked up to their stereo?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
Lars on fire
― calstars, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:46 (four years ago) link
Helluva way to deal with Jaymz's recent news
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
Shortest Straw ftw
― calstars, Saturday, 5 October 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link
This album
― calstars, Sunday, 16 February 2020 04:16 (four years ago) link
Anyone complain about the bass sound above?
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:28 (four years ago) link
What bass sound?
― the british empire's coming back, back back! (j/k) (Matt #2), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:38 (four years ago) link
Oh wow, they actually played my favorite song once, in its entirety, and did it justice (lol): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF5OHUXamFQ
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
Which is the one that was supposedly "unplayable," due to punch-ins and overdubs and stuff?
I know it's traditionally metal and all, but I guess James still gets a pass for the Iron Cross?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
That's Dyer's Eve. They've now played it, with Lars gutting the drum part.
― pass the cur's dossier (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link
XPS
Iron crosses have a long history in California Biker/Surfer/Hot Rod culture. One of the times he cleaned up, Hetfield really got into Hot Rods, which I imagine informed both the cross and pinstriping on his guitar.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:26 (three years ago) link
https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/maltese-cross-14960.html
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
Just searched "Dyer's Eve demo" on youtube on a hunch, and there you go:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXtSwgCEktE
See, Lars used to be able to play that ridiculously fast & long double bass part in the verse even without punch-ins.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:37 (three years ago) link
But the Maltese cross is not the Iron Cross. That's an Iron Cross, which is associated afaik just with Germany. Right?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link
(Not picking a fight with James, who already has a history of being associated with or saying questionable stuff about a bunch of bad shit.)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
I remember hearing this version on a bootleg in a used CD store listening station when I was a kid, and realizing that the best riffs are the actually the ones under the solos (maybe because James doesn't have to sing, or even lock in with another rhythm guitarist): https://youtu.be/WAfcp54co4M?t=257
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
I don't hear any double bass on that demo in the verse? Sounds like a simplified drum beat compared to the studio recording? Unless that was the joke...
― pass the cur's dossier (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link
Or it could be the shittiness of the recording and my waning hearing. I hear something approximating double bass but it's faint
― pass the cur's dossier (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
I hear something approximating double bass but it's faint
That's our Lars ....
;)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link
I'm on headphones and can definitely hear it throughout (not a lot of attack on that demo recording), and his time is super tight compared to most live shows.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link
Lars rules
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link
Lars is like Ringo: love him or not, I can't imagine anyone else in his place.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
Or I guess I can imagine it, but wouldn't want it.
Protect Lars
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link
Imagine being in your 50s and having legions of lunkheads caring about your double kick skills
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
Seriously, not least because all the young guns trigger anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
My god the instrumental section beginning four minutes into Eye of the Beholder is tight.
― chap, Friday, 29 January 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
yeah that's my fav part of the song
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 January 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link
i listened to that tune a lot during Trump's inauguration week lol
Great track.
― chap, Friday, 29 January 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
the drums on “harvester of sorrow” are so fucking good
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 November 2021 06:13 (two years ago) link
Best Metallica album. Fuck bass.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 25 July 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link
otm
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link
The way that it's mixed, there are enough bass frequencies between the drums and rhythm guitars. This isn't to say that Jason wasn't shafted or that, if recorded differently with his parts higher in the mix, Justice could have been a different and possibly even better album. Regardless, it's a first-class record that achieved what it set out to do.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:32 (one year ago) link
No one's listening to (this kind of) metal for the low-end rumble of the bass. Even Cliff, he often seemed to be playing fuzzed out co-lead that blended in with the guitars. I assume Jason isn't doing much different. I think the general thinness of the whole recording is pretty beneficial, because god knows how bad it would have sounded had they brick-walled everything like they did later.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:13 (one year ago) link
Master of Puppets has great songs but when I listen to it now I just think about how much better it would sound recorded/mixed like AJFH
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 13:20 (one year ago) link
In my old age, I've mellowed my AJFA bass opinions. They're more in line with peace's and Josh's posts – yeah, there's no bass there, but it still fukkin jams.
I disagree with you, man alive. I do think that Masters sounds richer, fuller, thicker. Even that razor-sharp sheen at the end of The Thing That Should Be is, shall we say, more loaded than any similar riffs on AJFA.
Justice still sounds tinny in a lot of places, and my memories of it from a cassette tape that likely had too much tape inside it, it didn't sound great. CDs didn't help it much either.
BUT – despite all that – it's still a classic album.
― pplains, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:28 (one year ago) link
the remastered albums feature Cliff loud and clearly, and he added a ton. granted, a lot of the songs, he was just doubling, but he's playing a unique, pulsing bassline on "Jump in the Fire", there's the intro to "For Whom the Bell Tolls", there's his work in Orion, there are the swells that open "Damage Inc", like.....people were listening to Cliff!
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link
MoP still has that '80s reverb-y snare sound (and it's a great sounding classic album, don't get me wrong), but I think of the sound of AJFA as chrome-plated, or like a modernist sculpture.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 14:55 (one year ago) link
Neanderthal otm, losing Cliff meant losing a creative force. Just so happened that Jamz and Larz were firing on all cylinders at that point, which made up for it
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
Oh, for sure, Cliff was an unusual talent, doubly unusual in that he was probably the biggest and brightest musical star of that era of Metallica. I mean, still not sure people were necessarily listening to Metallica *for* Cliff, other than "Orion," but he definitely added a lot (though again, kinda like a third guitarist). But clearly what he added wasn't 100% essential, because " ... And Justice" rules. The band didn't begin to decline until Lars and James shifted gears.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link
Until they stopped watching CNN together.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link
Cliff factored a lot more into the writing than Jason did.
he had 9 co-writing credits on RTL/MOP, even had one on "To Live is to Die" on AJFA.
He had 11 total across all albums (including "Anesthesia").
Jason had 3 total across his entire Metallica career.
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:30 (one year ago) link