Irish politics discussion thread

Iran, Iraq, Ireland...

bernie has stated he will fight any planned invasion of ta'allah

locals wont be very clear til tomorrows figures start comin in but in europe greens look well ahead of expectations

A functional foreigner asks - have the Greens leveraged a connection with the larger movements / awareness elsewhere, or have the people who declared they'd never vote for those arseholes again cycled through all the other arseholes?

col a col b

think theres some good young voices across the board, but the ones coming through the big parties were noticeably weak and anodyne in contrast.

whether the indies or smaller party talent can work out a way of functioning effectively enough to impact how a GE goes or whether theyre just trying to get invited into the tent will make for an interesting watch

do think climate and housing/planning/transport policy are the big topics on the ground for the euros/locals so the green surge probably reflects that rather than being all protest.

we have one irexit candidate and hes taking good advantage of a non-split vote at 0%

ppl give out and we're obv an awful shambles but listen dont the other lot make us look good at the same time

https://m.soundcloud.com/rte-radio-1/maria-bailey-1

someone gimme a listen here and let me know if its the kind of thing we should send out to wider ilx on a franchise basis or w/e, im too close here

greens vote looks overstated on exit polls which might mean a few seats less than expected, particularly disappointing for our saoirse but a hell of a debut for her on the political stage

ppl give out and we're obv an awful shambles but listen dont the other lot make us look good at the same time

Low bar but yeah - I remember watching some videos on Twitter of people being excited at the tally for the gay marriage referendum and thinking about heading home.

daenerys baker (darraghmac) wrote this on thread Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread. on board I Love Everything on 29-May-2019

lads

if we are to have a generically lazy brit bashing thread i feel it would go some way towards healing the wounds of a few weeks back if ye were to host it in its natural thread, the irish politics thread

let the record note the contempt with which this suggestion was treated

ukilxor self-contempt is as performative as any other rite of postcolonial privilege

I saw, and turned my face away at shame for my two adopted homes.

Where is Andrew Farrell's true home? Poll.

Please can we discuss this video and these pictures

On my visit to Ireland it's clear we cannot have a No Deal Brexit. pic.twitter.com/3KjOBE9NmE

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 30, 2019

President Michael D. Higgins with British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, meeting at Áras an Uachtaráin this morning. pic.twitter.com/62DUlNVfWJ

— President of Ireland (@PresidentIRL) May 30, 2019

Good meeting with @jeremycorbyn in @merrionstreet today on Northern Ireland, #Brexit and Westminster. Main topics were restoring power sharing in Northern Ireland, our shared concerns about a no deal scenario, and avoiding a hard border. We’ll be staying in touch pic.twitter.com/bhM1yun7CZ

— Leo Varadkar (@LeoVaradkar) May 30, 2019

Great discussion with Irish Taoiseach @LeoVaradkar on the importance of ensuring an open border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, as well as maintaining a close trade relationship with Europe.

We must avoid the damage to our economy that No Deal would cause. pic.twitter.com/linM6mJsJe

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 30, 2019

Nice they'll be staying in touch

Britvic discontinued its Drench and Pennine Spring water brands in Britain in favour of Ballygowan

interesting footnote in bottled water history: Yorkshire couldn't boast that the natural spring under the old Ben Shaws factory was holy and used by the Knights Templar + got completely owned by Limerick!

I've never quite worked out Irish pay rates. an inlaw was earning 45k in her 1st entry-level admin job in Dublin several years back which made us go ???* but that side of the family always seems to land on its feet and be oblivious to their good fortune so I hesitate to assume it's representative

* our confusion was that this sounded like a lot, just to clarify, seeing as we had a conversation at cross-purposes with step-MIL along similar lines at one point, where we expressed surprise at someone (else)'s salary bcz it sounded high to us and she agreed with our surprise then said "that's terrible, how can anyone live on that?" uh... never mind

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hi aps

felt it rather better to bring it here

i take it this offspring sprung off from a reasonably comfortable family? nothing unusual in the phenomenon that aspirations/understanding of what is tolerable is as tied to the manner and modes in which one (or one's family) has become accustomed to living over here as it is anywhere else.

South dublin would be the very typical base of the type of dynasty that would certainly be disappointed if fiachra had to settle for anything less than 65k after getting out of trinners, for instance, because fiachra could hardly be expected to get a season ticket at donnybrook and a two bed in ranelagh for himself on anything less than that.

dublin is v liveable in or around 40k imo, and by that i mean flaneur about town* type of living**

*the cheaper but better parts obv

**please note the flaneur never aspires to owning an actual property within commuting distance

c.28k is about right as NN says for a starter out of a generic college course, your choice of career depending you should fly up from that or not etc etc

down the country you can live on about a fiver a month, thats to own and run a fair sized village inc blacksmith and a working port

seems that we'll be getting a brexit then, whether the huge majority makes it more or less likely towards the no-deal end of the spectrum a matter of some debate.

otherwise, a GE will be likely in feb, and if trends across the water are any indicator a return of some sort for fg would be in order

online chatter would have them out, obv, but i think we've seen how unreliable that actually is tbf

https://www.redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SBP-November-2019-Poll-Report.pdf

Fascinated by the demo breakdowns here - big gap between FF & FG with female voters? Old people being blueshirts is clear enough.

interesting alright.

i dont know that FF would go for another stint in the current setup, certainly it would be fuel for mcgrath to push against martin if he tried it

fg(or ff)/green/lab ticks a lot of boxes if a coherent manifesto could come out of it at all

wonder if the latter two would have any interest in a pre-pact themselves to see what they could eke out

thing about old people, they tend to be replaced in their age group by old people

im not sure that will stay true as successive generations experience a lower quality of life, youd think/hope not, but as an electorate i also think we tend to weight up any putative alternative option quite warily also?

Surely same factors at home as over here? But ia, civil war politics is a hell of a drug. I always laugh at people here who call themselves “politically homeless” but then if I did move home I don’t know who I’d ever vote for.

Also, I can’t stop thinking about John Finucane.

FG in 5th place with 'the kids' is interesting, but presumably incumbency counts for some of that?

(a bad paddy asks) What caused the drop off in independent support in 2016? Specific issues, or "I was able to picture myself giving them my first preference, and burst out in giggles"? Or was it just that it crystallised out into Renua / Social Democrats / Solidarity?

idk, i mean over there brexit just got into everything

theres some trepidation here about the place, but i really dont get the impression that most ppl would have it in mind as voting approaches. key that whatever happens or doesn't wont be any party's fault on this side, really.

other than that, there's about three different countries voting- comfortable/not, homeowner/not, rural/dub.

theres not a majority out of any of them, and yeah civil war or not the central two are the vehicles we have one way or the other, which is why i think green/lab key and might actually have their pick

fg unpopular, have been ruling to not-great results on the things key to the left, bit can still point to hand they were dealt, referendums were nice werent they, stability, yadda yadda

ff a more natural ally on the spectrum, have facilitated stability while not being to blame for anything as such, but eesh its ff yknow

the range of quite-likely results is quite energising tbh

(xp)

I caught a discussion between the main parties on Brexit when I was over in October - it was very civil, which was nice.

Yeah, I'd kill to have a graph that looked like that in the UK, even with most of them bowsies.

andrew, if i had to guess (cause i sure dont remember actual events) id cynically say that independents are an easy bunch to threaten to vote for between elections (and particularly in those few years) and that threat shrivelled back to normal-or-thereabouts vote spread for them when an actual election happened

id be surprised if the independents propping up this govt didnt see a fall again from the 2016 result.

people will go back to parties, but possibly not the bigger ones

FG in 5th place with 'the kids' is interesting, but presumably incumbency counts for some of that?

(a bad paddy asks) What caused the drop off in independent support in 2016? Specific issues, or "I was able to picture myself giving them my first preference, and burst out in giggles"? Or was it just that it crystallised out into Renua / Social Democrats / Solidarity?

this is pretty much it

pleasantly surprised how quickly its been visited on him, tbf

ahhhhhhhhh

mary lou, paschal, joe are in my constituency

isnt that a foine range of headliners anyway

Paschal is a classic Irish name. I know it’s not one of ours but I’ve never met a non-Irish one. Same as Jarlath.

fuck what dyou mean not ours

shook

ah chrisht the walls are falling in and i come in here for a bit of comfort and youve set the floor alight on me now

french!

quick guirt sez jarlath is still solid tho?

Yeah Jarlath (Iarlaith!) is rock solid Irish.

ok phew i thought yr "same with" covered origin as opposed to never meeting etc

my middle name is Paschal lol

The word "paschal" is the equivalent of Greek "pascha" and is derived from Aramaic "pasḥā" and Hebrew "pesaḥ", meaning "the passing over" (cf. Ex 12:13.23.27; cf. Is 31,5). The origin is not known. Some scholars refer to Assyrian "pasah" – appease or Egyptian "pa-sh" – remembrance or "pē-sah" – the blow. The Bible links "pesaḥ" with "pāsaḥ" – two literal meanings are: to limp and to perform a ritual dance around a sacrifice (1 K 18:21.26). Figuratively it may be understood, "to jump", "to pass", "to spare". It refers to the passage of God on the Passover night, when the Israelites left Egypt. God struck the houses of Egyptians and left the Israelites untouched, i.e. passed over.

jaysus all the way back ha?

lads

ive a very good mate, sound socialist working man now not like meself, but hes badly afflicted

his brothers mot is running for the ... bad guys

which ones

srsly now, the very bad ones, yknow

I didn’t know Renua were still going

worse!

_oh_

I was looking at their list of candidates and it's striking seeing the varied realms of madness behind their eyes that they all describe themselves as "a first-time Dáil candidate for the N4tional P4rty" - I'm not sure that'll go as high on your CVs as you think, folks.

hes appalled obv but hes staying informed for the stories

he got a manifesto to spellcheck a while back i shit u not