US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

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I agree with this policy of not impugning people you’re not going to indict in general. But this case is ridiculous. The only reason he can’t be indicted is because of his office—there is a public interest dimension to this.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link

Why is mueller acting like an algorithm?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link

Um, not really. DOJ policy prevented Mueller in his capacity as a prosecutor from indicting Trump, but how he worded his conclusions was in his control.

DOJ policy (according to Mueller's interpretation, at least) prevented not only from indicting him, but also from coming to the conclusion that he committed crimes.

we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct "constitutes a federal offense." U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

so no, he could not have worded a statement like you suggested, that he "clearly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice", because that would be a crime, and they had already determined to use an approach that could potentially come to that conclusion. instead, he used the ambiguous language which was enough to confuse most of the american public because it takes longer than 5 seconds to read: "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

in other words, mueller is a big fucking asshole, but not for the reasons that you suggest

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link

xposts

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link

This is like Kafka

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link

we determined not to apply an approach

that 'we determined' strongly implies that an alternate approach was possible

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link

possible but maybe illegal

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link

but he should have been brave and gone for it. or else allowed someone else to be special prosecutor.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link

Not illegal -- contrary to DOJ guidelines.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link

this is why we used to have independent prosecutors

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link

makes u think

What if Pelosi is trying to goad Trump into doing lots of dumb, unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) May 23, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link

don't goad a goader

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link

what if trump is trying to goad pelosi into thinking she can try to goad trump into doing lots of dumb unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link

Oh man can you even imagine if Donald Trump wound up haplessly doing dumb unpopular shit, what a crazy mixed-up world that would be

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link

I can already see a stadium full of people chanting "DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT! DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT!"

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/pelosi-move-impeach-trump-premature-divisive-190523154608666.html

"I do think impeachment is a very divisive place to go"

oh piss off

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link

you know what else is divisive? losing the Electoral College again

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link

yeah but you can just have the loser make a speech about the genius of the founding fathers

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link

Here is a 7+ minute video, from ABC, of Trump calling on multiple senior aides to defend him and vouch for his 'calm' demeanor in the infrastructure meeting with Democrats after Nancy Pelosi said that he'd had a temper tantrum. pic.twitter.com/iiLcrjnTe4

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 23, 2019

so pathetic

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link

the bootlicking is nauseating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link

never trust a room full of white people.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link

unless you walk in a room and it's Fleetwood Mac standing there

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link

they don't even trust each other

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link

where is my Negroni btw ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link

it's almost 5 ffs

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link

shaker's out

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link

the bootlicking is nauseating

come carne asada, let's get's serious. they use horsehair shine brushes

An early look at next week's cover, "The Shining," by Barry Blitt. https://t.co/KVWteOZfAX pic.twitter.com/FsevJqnTq9

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) May 23, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link

I’m surprised they can live with themselves. Always surprised.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link

hilarious how clueless DT is re: how his behavior esp the whining and doth protesting too much comes off. like dude, thanks for letting us know that Pelosi really got under your skin. thanks for letting us know you're scared shitless about the "whole Russia thing".

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link

If you’re blessed at birth by a demon to never suffer lasting consequences for any of your actions I’d imagine it’s hard to learn anything

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link

The panicked perpetuation of white supremacy by any means (up to and including the eager debasement of an identity which one's actions are hypothetically intended to preserve but which will in sad reality remain forever compromised by unresolved daddy issues) is a helluva drug.

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link

"It's a good time to be a farmer, we're going to make sure of that," President Trump says, announcing $16 billion in aid to farmers as the trade war with China continues https://t.co/oCbHCg9U2B pic.twitter.com/siPweyokoP

— CNN Business (@CNNBusiness) May 23, 2019



Cool socialism bro

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link

"I was extremely calm yesterday" for June pol thread title

He is extremely calm. Just presidenting as he always does.

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:54 (four years ago) link

A few quick thoughts about the Assange indictment—this is a worst-case, nightmare, mayday scenario for First Amendment enthusiasts 1/

— Hannah Bloch-Wehba (@HBWHBWHBW) May 23, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2019 03:22 (four years ago) link

Gonna blast DJ Khaled by the pool

D'USSE'

mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 May 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/24/facebook-leaves-fake-nancy-pelosi-video-on-site

this is the same fucked up shit they pulled with HRC and it's fucking disgusting and the organge shit hole is playing it up too.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:26 (four years ago) link

Zuckerberg is fucking noxious garbage.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/another-attack-trump-tweets-video-pelosi-tripping-over-words-n1009551

this shit right here is fucking pissing me the hell off .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

ehh I haven’t seen the vid in question but there are like a million Vic Berger videos on Facebook w a digitally altered Trump

big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link

xp!

big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link

I'm fine with getting ride of those Trump altered videos too! It's just Facebook's constant stream of mealy-mouthed apologies while still refusing to change a fucking thing that raise my dander.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

Don't think those videos will convince anyone who isn't watching Tucker Carlson; it won't damage Pelosi like that mainstream media WaPo story might Warren.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

i wonder what will happen in this do or die moment for twitter

Twitter & @jack face a choice. The President just posted a doctored video to attack a political opponent. His account under their own standards should be suspended or banned. It's a do or die moment for the platform pic.twitter.com/4dPUnyVE0u

— Adam Blickstein (@AdamBlickstein) May 24, 2019

mookieproof, Friday, 24 May 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

i predict jack will say something vapid

maura, Friday, 24 May 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link

jack will hand wring and tell us how he meditated on it for hours but in the end... blah blah fucking blah, cash a check, let it ride

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link

Actually he's probably planning to point to the Krassensteins permabanning as how Twitter is "working" for the foreseeable future.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link

i predict a reference to twitter's user policies, ethics team review, etc etc, followed by nothing

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link

come on jack

Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link

our good friend jack

Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link


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