So many jazz drummers keep slating Charlie Watts
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/d6/1e/f5d61e27f9304ecd07a89a2fbbc749df--charlie-watts-the-rolling-stones.jpg
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
i don't understand the fuss he's just bad at rhythm dude. he is empirically not good at rhythm why don't people understand that
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
I love the Ginger Baker/Fela record and like the album he did with Masters of Reality.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
He's a colossal dick, ofc.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
thought it was funny when he did this and just picked 13 albums he played on
https://thequietus.com/articles/10797-ginger-baker-baker-s-dozen-favourite-albums
hey, it is called "Baker's Dozen"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
lol. I mean only *half* of them are albums he played on, but still
Also funny that he disses Mitch Mitchell, who is a much more fluid player with a much better sense of jazz (but didn't have the ego to think he was an actual legit jazz drummer)
Meanwhile, here's Baker thudding it up with Haden and Frisell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql6iGLZL14w
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
Classic or thud.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
1969 Life magazine feature on Elvin Jones:
https://tinyurl.com/y54wk93x
Curious to know what the patriarch of the new percussionists would think of his adoring progeny, I paid Jones a visit next day in his cheerful little flat on Manhattan's West Side. Sipping beer out of a jelly jar clinking with ice cubes, he listened with closed eyes and bent, perspiring forehead while I spun discs by the Who and Blind Faith and Santana. The Afro-Cuban rockers he dug, but mostly as musical wallpaper. Keith Moon's drumming during the "Underture" of Tommy produced appreciative comments: "See there, where the tempo started to die, how he picked it up! The man is a drummer. Everything they play, he contains it."Only Ginger Baker, of the now defunct Blind Faith, got the strong put-down. Raising his head after an ominously silent hearing of "Do What You Like," with its enormously long drum solo, Jones growled: "Nothing happenin'. Cat's got delusions of grandeur with no grounds. They should make him an astronaut and lose his ass!"
Only Ginger Baker, of the now defunct Blind Faith, got the strong put-down. Raising his head after an ominously silent hearing of "Do What You Like," with its enormously long drum solo, Jones growled: "Nothing happenin'. Cat's got delusions of grandeur with no grounds. They should make him an astronaut and lose his ass!"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
Ha, was wondering when it would get to that quote.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
Too right, he damn near ruins that album.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
I'm checking out "Do What You Like" right now... haven't even gotten to the drum solo yet, and ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz....
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
lollll that's awesome, never read that before - love his take on Moon as well
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Man, this bass solo is rough. Guess the drum solo must be next....
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
Yes, and then Elvin Jones went on to perform with Ginger Baker's Air Force.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
I forgot about this Yardbirds song "Shapes of Things" -- it's a great one for sure
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
xpost definitely rare to hear of a jazz player holding their nose and playing on some rock or pop bullshit for a good check
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:47 (four years ago) link
Ginger Baker *and* Tony Williams play on Album by PiL!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
it's just a bummer he doesn't have rhythm
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
geez louise is there some kind of concerted campaign to troll drummers about charlie watts? wtf
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
I wouldn't worry about it, Turrican is determined to mention how much he hates Charlie Watts in as many threads as possible.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:40 (four years ago) link
just Turrican doing his thing from what I can tell xp
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:40 (four years ago) link
my comment was in earnest btw, I love the stones & charlie watts specifically
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
i'm not worried, i just think it's weirdis "being wrong about how rhythm works" his thing? that's weird!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
Not going there!
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
LL I was not being serious up there
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:32 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:32 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Swagger? He looks stiff as fuck when he's drumming, and you can hear it.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
itt turrican finally unmasked as Kenny Jones
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
i can see why you might think that re: stiffness, but i disagree.
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
Kenney Jones was a great drummer, particularly on the stuff Small Faces did for Immediate.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
I'd rate Kenney Jones, Mitch Mitchell and Mick Avory all higher than Ginger Baker, actually.
Kenney Jones is a seriously great drummer.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
keep trying to like turrican but can't get into it
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link
he just hits that one note constantly
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 02:34 (four years ago) link
No rhythm either
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
Just bashin away
Charlie Watts drumming is cool because it sounds like someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner
― brimstead, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:42 (four years ago) link
someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner
That's actually the perfect description of the time Watts decked Mick Jagger in 1984.
("Don't ever call me your drummer again. You're my fucking singer!")
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
I'll take this over anything Cream recorded...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPL1NwQAY0
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 26 May 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
It pains me to say it at the moment, but Cardiacs. Love the idea of poppy prog (or proggy pop, if you prefer), but really not getting it in this case.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 26 July 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link
I really want to get into Afrobeat as I love the idea of it and it's nice to have on in the background, but every time I sit down and try and actively listen to a Fela Kuti track I get fidgety around the three minute mark.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap)
I've since rectified this opinion.
― chap, Sunday, 26 July 2020 11:36 (three years ago) link
My problem with Fela is that I get into it and then get curious about the lyrics and end up finding out about some social issue in Nigeria for an hour. Wait, that’s not a problem. But I can’t get into Phoebe Bridgers.
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 26 July 2020 12:04 (three years ago) link
XXXP - Anagram, perhaps try some Cardiacs adjacent stuff like Kitten Pyramid, Army of Moths or Slunq.
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 26 July 2020 13:02 (three years ago) link
Thanks, I'll give those a try.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Sunday, 26 July 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link
Haha, I thought Kansas and Styx were poppy prog. I'm starting to dig into this manic avant-prog-punk band, though. I found Guns a little easier to digest at first than Sing to God.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 26 July 2020 13:28 (three years ago) link
Cardiacs were never prog-proper tbf (with a few exceptions), they're much more of a psychedelic art-punk-pop group, and I'm not convinced the bands MN suggests are as proggy as you're after either
Cardiacs-influenced prog-pop that doesn't shirk the pop or the prog, and is awesome:
Major Parkinson - Blackbox https://majorparkinson.bandcamp.com/album/blackboxLost Crowns - Every Night Something Happens https://lostcrowns.bandcamp.com/album/every-night-something-happens
― imago, Sunday, 26 July 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
I mean, <3 Army Of Moths but they're basically a Britpop band with especially grandiose ideas
But you should check it all out obviously!
― imago, Sunday, 26 July 2020 13:47 (three years ago) link
That Major Parkinson album especially is such a cool synthesis of campy, synthy Full Pop with winding, segueing, modular, callback-strewn Full Prog, will def call out to the Steven Wilson fan in you
― imago, Sunday, 26 July 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link
The record I was going on about on the Thinking Plague thread also recommended FFO Steven Wilson and maybe Bent Knee I would say, but it's not out until 30th August now apparently.
― Stanley Halfbrick (Noel Emits), Sunday, 26 July 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link