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Watts didn't struggle to stay in time, he played behind the beat

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:49 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink

He both played behind the beat and struggled to stay in time.

Watts' playing is so lumpen, it feels like he's playing with drumsticks that weigh the same as a pair of hammers but have the response of a light flick, and every time he goes in for a fill, it feels like he does the first hit and then suddenly it's like "uh, what do I do next?" and then he wings it in the most shonky way.

your posting is lumpen

I thought ILX was down with the proletariat.

this thread is making me hongro

I've no idea why, since I like rhythm, and this is a discussion about who is or who isn't good at it.

So many jazz drummers keep slating Charlie Watts

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/d6/1e/f5d61e27f9304ecd07a89a2fbbc749df--charlie-watts-the-rolling-stones.jpg

i don't understand the fuss he's just bad at rhythm dude. he is empirically not good at rhythm why don't people understand that

I love the Ginger Baker/Fela record and like the album he did with Masters of Reality.

He's a colossal dick, ofc.

thought it was funny when he did this and just picked 13 albums he played on

https://thequietus.com/articles/10797-ginger-baker-baker-s-dozen-favourite-albums

hey, it is called "Baker's Dozen"

lol. I mean only *half* of them are albums he played on, but still

Also funny that he disses Mitch Mitchell, who is a much more fluid player with a much better sense of jazz (but didn't have the ego to think he was an actual legit jazz drummer)

Meanwhile, here's Baker thudding it up with Haden and Frisell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql6iGLZL14w

Classic or thud.

1969 Life magazine feature on Elvin Jones:

https://tinyurl.com/y54wk93x

Curious to know what the patriarch of the new percussionists would think of his adoring progeny, I paid Jones a visit next day in his cheerful little flat on Manhattan's West Side. Sipping beer out of a jelly jar clinking with ice cubes, he listened with closed eyes and bent, perspiring forehead while I spun discs by the Who and Blind Faith and Santana. The Afro-Cuban rockers he dug, but mostly as musical wallpaper. Keith Moon's drumming during the "Underture" of Tommy produced appreciative comments: "See there, where the tempo started to die, how he picked it up! The man is a drummer. Everything they play, he contains it."

Only Ginger Baker, of the now defunct Blind Faith, got the strong put-down. Raising his head after an ominously silent hearing of "Do What You Like," with its enormously long drum solo, Jones growled: "Nothing happenin'. Cat's got delusions of grandeur with no grounds. They should make him an astronaut and lose his ass!"

Ha, was wondering when it would get to that quote.

Too right, he damn near ruins that album.

I'm checking out "Do What You Like" right now... haven't even gotten to the drum solo yet, and ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz....

lollll that's awesome, never read that before - love his take on Moon as well

Man, this bass solo is rough. Guess the drum solo must be next....

Yes, and then Elvin Jones went on to perform with Ginger Baker's Air Force.

I forgot about this Yardbirds song "Shapes of Things" -- it's a great one for sure

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definitely rare to hear of a jazz player holding their nose and playing on some rock or pop bullshit for a good check

Ginger Baker *and* Tony Williams play on Album by PiL!

charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.

it's just a bummer he doesn't have rhythm

geez louise is there some kind of concerted campaign to troll drummers about charlie watts? wtf

I wouldn't worry about it, Turrican is determined to mention how much he hates Charlie Watts in as many threads as possible.

just Turrican doing his thing from what I can tell xp

my comment was in earnest btw, I love the stones & charlie watts specifically

i'm not worried, i just think it's weird
is "being wrong about how rhythm works" his thing? that's weird!

Not going there!

LL I was not being serious up there

charlie watts is a hero for refusing to play the hi hat & snare at the same time. he put more swagger in the backbeat than anyone.

― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:32 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Swagger? He looks stiff as fuck when he's drumming, and you can hear it.

itt turrican finally unmasked as Kenny Jones

i can see why you might think that re: stiffness, but i disagree.

Kenney Jones was a great drummer, particularly on the stuff Small Faces did for Immediate.

I'd rate Kenney Jones, Mitch Mitchell and Mick Avory all higher than Ginger Baker, actually.

Kenney Jones is a seriously great drummer.

keep trying to like turrican but can't get into it

he just hits that one note constantly

No rhythm either

Just bashin away

Charlie Watts drumming is cool because it sounds like someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner

someone getting beat up in a really systematic but bluesy manner

That's actually the perfect description of the time Watts decked Mick Jagger in 1984.

("Don't ever call me your drummer again. You're my fucking singer!")

I'll take this over anything Cream recorded...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPL1NwQAY0

It pains me to say it at the moment, but Cardiacs. Love the idea of poppy prog (or proggy pop, if you prefer), but really not getting it in this case.

I really want to get into Afrobeat as I love the idea of it and it's nice to have on in the background, but every time I sit down and try and actively listen to a Fela Kuti track I get fidgety around the three minute mark.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap)

I've since rectified this opinion.

My problem with Fela is that I get into it and then get curious about the lyrics and end up finding out about some social issue in Nigeria for an hour. Wait, that’s not a problem.

But I can’t get into Phoebe Bridgers.

XXXP - Anagram, perhaps try some Cardiacs adjacent stuff like Kitten Pyramid, Army of Moths or Slunq.