HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

there is a funny tension in a show that got big off sudden intense twists and popcorn moments ending with a seer in charge, perfectly calm and able to look back in time to check he's posting as he always has

it was so bad that it would have been better if the last scene was ned stark having a shower in 1994 and realising it was all a dream.

Late doors Bran was such a weird character, a deus ex machina with no real plot function. Everything he did could have been done by someone else quite easily (Sam, Arya, whoever).

They should really have done a reprise of the final episode of the first season, with Jon in the Ned position, but Arya no longer standing idly by. Then she could have gone west to escape the wrath of the unsullied. And the big question for everyone else should be who gets to tell *this* story and how do you tell it. Arghh.

what I tried to type earlier was

I think the idea of a West of Westeros the further adventures of Arya Stark or whatever they'd call it has the potential to be quite interesting if done right. Though hate to see potential squandered.

but typing on phone not great.

I assume that there are no immediate plans to further follow any of the surviving characters though. & certainly see that as a more interesting possibility than following Jon Snow into the reclaimed North of the Wall though that might have possibilities too.
Further adventures of Tyrion in righting some longstanding wrongs might have some possibilities. Or Sansa Queen of the Free North.

But I like the idea of the explorations of a single female in the Uncharted territories of the world they live in. Though could see the drawbacks in terms of a woman's perceived place in the medieval world. Could be good though.

As for spinoff ideas, someone pointed out that the final scene with Drogon was him flying eastwards with Dany's body. So maybe he's returning to Essos to the area where he's originally from? But said area also has magicians (like Melisandre) who can bring the dead back to life... So if they really wanted to, they could do a sequel series where a pissed off, resurrected Daenerys declares war on Westeros. I doubt they're gonna do that, but since they didn't show what happened to her body, maybe they were intentionally keeping the door open, in case someone wants to do such a sequel?

an idea just awful enough to work!

there is a funny tension in a show that got big off sudden intense twists and popcorn moments ending with a seer in charge, perfectly calm and able to look back in time to check he's posting as he always has

There's a bit of a horrific implication with Bran saying "why do you think I came all the way here?" after Tyrion makes the plea for him to become the king. It could suggest that Bran foresaw everything that was gonna happen, including Dany destroying King's Landing and Jon murdering her, so neither of them could become the new ruler, thus opening the door for him. But if he saw all of that, then that means he decided not to warn anyone about the massacre and let it play out, just so the others would see Dany needs to be killed. Which doesn't seem like a good omen for what kind of a king he will be.

In fact, there is (of course there is) a whole "Bran is evil" fan theory, according to which Bran deliberately told Jon about his true parentage, knowing that the truth would get out, that it would destabilise Daenerys, leading to her lash-out and subsequent death, and that Bran's endgame was always to become the king.

Bran can't see the future but they could've done a couple of shots of him en route to KL with his eyes whited out the whole time as he watched the immediate past in almost real time (can he see things just moments after they happened? ugh).

the two-faced raven

& just hope she hasn't gone and sailed off the side of a flat earth.

This would totally be a great show, have her off exploring exotic lands of what she believes is a flat earth. And maybe it is a flat earth! Make it kind of a lighthearted quippy adventure, where she meets new peoples and creatures. And then, on the cusp of cancellation after its first season and shortened second season, she finds a portal, and that portal takes her to ... modern round earth times! She opens a detective agency and solves crimes and mysteries. But it turns out she's not alone, and other people and creatures magical and medieval have made it through the portal in the past as well and formed a council of evil, which will become her arch nemesis.

Also, Bran would somehow give her the power to communicate with pets. But we'll never find out what ultimately happens, because this second spin-off will be cancelled after the first season. And then they can reboot Game of Thrones.

modern round earth times!

i do enjoy the implication here that the round earth is a recent development

Allegedly.

like don cupitt's insistence that galaxies were only ~70 years old

Bran can't see the future but they could've done a couple of shots of him en route to KL with his eyes whited out the whole time as he watched the immediate past in almost real time

As for spinoff ideas, someone pointed out that the final scene with Drogon was him flying eastwards with Dany's body. So maybe he's returning to Essos to the area where he's originally from? But said area also has magicians (like Melisandre) who can bring the dead back to life... So if they really wanted to, they could do a sequel series where a pissed off, resurrected Daenerys declares war on Westeros. I doubt they're gonna do that, but since they didn't show what happened to her body, maybe they were intentionally keeping the door open, in case someone wants to do such a sequel?

Sequel would be 3 seasons of Drogon flying back to Essos, 1 season resurrecting Dany, 2 seasons of Dany dicking around Mereen (because what else did she ever do), and finally 1 six-episode season introducing and concluding the invasion of Westeros.

Poor Edmure. That "no having kids in case they Hilary Benn me" tweet in human form

I thought Dany's "became a terrible person after she went on the management training scheme" energy with Jon was quite convincing while it lasted

Something they didn’t beat us over the head with:
Jon inadvertently gave Tyrion the idea of Bran as king by saying “love is the death of duty”

Yeah, that "why do you think I came all this way" line has no good readings for Bran

Very fun Bran theory from my sister @AlexofComics #GamesOfThrones pic.twitter.com/hOcv4vxpj7

— Siobhan Thompson (@vornietom) May 20, 2019

rip fan theories

GoT is different than Lost in that there were many fan theories that would have been much better than what actually happened, whereas the GoT fan theories are almost uniformly lame

what actually happened at the end of Lost I mean

It's obvious that making Bran king is a terrible idea because Tyrion came up with it.

I also remembered how drunk he was the night he heard Bran's supposedly incredible story.

sawyer was the horse

I don't remember a single good fan-theory about Lost? But the not knowing was definitely better than the knowing :(

Extremely glad the shittiest fan theory of them all (Tyrion/anyone besides Jon being secret Targaryens) died an unmourned death. Thanks, terrible s8!

Lost needed fan theories, because the vast majority of the show made little to no sense. GoT generated fan theories because fans thought their ideas were better.

To be fair to the fans, they were.

Like, was it here or elsewhere, or both, that someone suggested what a clever fake out it would have been had the white walkers skipped Winterfell entirely and gone straight to King's Landing, only for the good guys to discover a zombified city? That would have been pretty cool, and would have set up a better final battle that finally paid off literally years of building up the ice zombies as the greatest threat in the history of mankind.

We talked about it. I was a big believer that it would be the case, it was called "The Night King Is Not Stupid" theory

Yeah. But it was way too optimistic. When the writers are stupid, all the characters are stupid.

screen time spend building up Dany's quest for Iron Throne vs. time spent building up zombie invasion pretty lopsided though

I definitely do like the "Bran is evil" theory, but maybe not-so-much "evil" as he foresaw that Thanos needed to snap and time travel needed to be invented and the stones needed to be stolen from the past so that everybody could be saved in the future

idk maybe the Night King didn't have a map or any newspapers or history books or ability to send out spies or....

Bran is basically Doctor Strange with no powers.

Which is to say that I guess a parallel could be drawn between Strange giving the Chaos Emerald to Josh Brolin and Bran giving the secret dossier to Jon Snow

Dr. Branhattan

I for one can't wait for a new round of Kingdom Hearts where we've got Cloud Strife and Arya Stark and Black Widow and Captain Picard and LEGO Batman all going toe-to-toe against Saruman, Darth Maul and John Wick

Would have liked to see Night King 1000 year empire destroyed by walker Sam’s referendum proposing representative walker democracy which it turns out does enfranchise dogs and goats etc...

can bran see the future, or just the past

I think I read that he can see the past but only some of the future? Doesn't really matter if he doesn't tell anyone anything.

"I can see the future!"

"OK, who wins the World Series?"

"I know, but I cannot tell."

GoT is different than Lost in that there were many fan theories

To me the critical difference is that somewhere in season 2 of Lost it became apparent that they were just pulling more and more random mysteries out of their ass and it would never resolve satisfactorily, so I quit watching. Thrones gave the opposite impression.

It's just that with some of these proposed "better" endings I'm seeing, they are so bad that I can't tell if people are being serious

The mysteries/machinations in GoT were compelling, imo. If Lost suffered from an inability to reach resolution, GoT suffered from an apparent disinterest in it.

Tbf to Lost, it had a few 22-episode seasons to fill and no books to fall back on, not to mention cast members bailing left and right. GOT had (almost) every imaginable advantage

To me the critical difference is that somewhere in season 2 of Lost it became apparent that they were just pulling more and more random mysteries out of their ass and it would never resolve satisfactorily, so I quit watching. Thrones gave the opposite impression.

i just realized that daenerys never actually sat on the throne. she just touched the arm of it before receiving the kiss of death