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Not quite as must see as the last clip- no Garth for one thing- but from the same tour, and still Levon and Rick. Like what Nils and Joe Walsh are doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUwb1ToTkpk

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 May 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

This looks great although.. yeah the comments making it very plain that it should not ave the name 'Robbie Robertson and.. '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTpMZjZxwI

piscesx, Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link

Would watch despite the title.

We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link

For sure

calstars, Sunday, 19 January 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link

Shit, looks great. Though yeah, with Levon, Rick and Richard dead, that more or less leaves Robbie and Garth to tell the story. Yet the one (negative) review I read said that Garth is barely in it, and Robbie's over-rehearsed and apparently uncontested versions of his truth begin to grate.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:56 (four years ago) link

isn't it based on his memoir? I cannot wait to see this, but given Robbie's long friendship with Scorsese I wouldn't be surprised if its entirely Robbie-centric

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 20 January 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

Robbie Robertson is entirely Robbie-centric.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Monday, 20 January 2020 10:03 (four years ago) link

What blows my mind about The Last Waltz is how few 'The Band' songs are in it!

piscesx, Monday, 20 January 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link

Funny this thread got revived. My pick of covers.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:42 (four years ago) link

Fuck Robbie Robertson.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link

no!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:49 (four years ago) link

Like, what a dick. Maybe he and Scorsese will die of coke-induced heart attacks in the after party.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link

"Once we were brothers, but I have to get top billing."

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link

we've discussed his songs enough -- let's discuss Robertson the man

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link

Which songs, the ones he wrote or the ones he took credit for?

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link

He tried to take most of the songwriting credits for the Band, but basically has written next to nothing of note in the decades since they broke up. Hmmm ...

(See also: dude from Soul Coughing)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 January 2020 02:40 (four years ago) link

There's good stuff on the first Robbie solo album. Too bad about the singing tho.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:44 (four years ago) link

NPR used to have an audio-only HDTV channel called Mixtape, which offered daily block programming of what I guess could be described as "Adult Alternative" mixed with some Classic Rock and Oldies. More than once I heard a Peter Gabriel track segued into the original of "Broken Arrow", which I always thought was a cheeky move on part of the programmer given how hard Robertson was biting PG on that album.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:53 (four years ago) link

The Band made good records without Robbie. Robbie couldn't even manage a tolerable record without the Band.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link

They only did ... two without him? The only thing I remember is the (excellent) Springsteen cover.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link

Even Levon was less than prolific, though his final albums are great.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link

Surprising that The Last Waltz soundtrack has never been polled.

piscesx, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

My negative take on Robbie has softened somewhat over the years. He's the one who kept getting those drunks into a studio and on tour, after all. But seriously, fuck that title.

TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

xp to alfred's list - i hate that i have to admit that the jakob dylan cover of whispering pines is good

YES to a last waltz sdtk poll

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

The Mekons cover is inspired.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link

They only did ... two without him? The only thing I remember is the (excellent) Springsteen cover.

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Three! Jericho, High on the Hog, and Jubilation. They're not spectacular by any means, but unlike, say, "American Roulette," listening to them doesn't make me shout STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT at the speakers.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link

The latter day Band's "Blind Willie McTell" is great too.

i've seen the new doc and it is basically the visual cliffs notes for robbie's memoir. some good live/rehearsal footage, but nothing too revelatory. robbie is pretty insufferable, no new garth interviews. i don't even take a hard line on Robertson — incredible guitarist, a pretty strong run songwriting-wise from the late 60s to early 70s. But the eagerness with which he trots out the same old shit is just boring.

tylerw, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link

It's kind of baffling that he never found a decent context/vehicle for his brilliant playing post-Band (or did he and I missed it?)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:10 (four years ago) link

i don't think so — seems like he is fairly uninterested in the guitar, really! which is crazy, he really was one of the greats.

tylerw, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link

whoever wrote it, unfaithful servant is a fuckin great song, ain't it

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 23 January 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

what DID he do to the lady???

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

Yes but he’s not really a nice guy https://t.co/KkUH6v6BSP

— David Crosby (@thedavidcrosby) September 15, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link

lol croz is such a messy bitch

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 03:56 (three years ago) link

someone should start a new poll, who is the bigger asshole david crosby or robbie robertson?

jbn, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link

at this point it's probably croz

tylerw, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

My lazy self posted upthread about "The Night..." without listening again, just misremembering ol' Virgil as a farmer who happened to fall victim to whatever troops, one generic example collateral damage, from the subset of those left alive and workin'. However, let's review---words from bobdylan.com (because, ad reminds us, it's on Before The Flood:
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
WRITTEN BY: J.R. ROBERTSON

Virgil Caine is the name,

and I served on the Danville train,

'Til Stoneman's cavalry

came and tore up the tracks again.

In the winter of '65,

We were hungry, just barely alive.

By May the tenth, Richmond had fell,

it's a time I remember, oh so well,

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down,
They went

La, La, La, La, La, La,

La, La, La, La, La, La,

La, La,

Back with my wife in Tennessee,

When one day she called to me,

"Virgil, quick, come see,

there goes Robert E. Lee!"

Now I don't mind choppin' wood,

and I don't care if the money's no good.

Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest,

But they should never have taken the very best.
(Chorus)
Like my father before me,

I will work the land,

Like my brother above me,

who took a rebel stand.

He was just eighteen, proud and brave,

But a Yankee laid him in his grave,

I swear by the mud below my feet,

You can't raise a Caine back up

when he's in defeat.
So Virgil was not just a farmer in the War, but he wasn't a soldier either, volunteer or conscript (of which there were many, some forcible, as in the North). So you could say he was complicit, but maybe it was just or mainly a job, his railroad trade, after leaving (getting away from?) the farm (started out in a farming family, as eventually mentioned). But wait, "served on", was he a soldier after all, or was it that this line, from what I've read elsewhere (w/o wanting to go back into the bottomless lake of the Civil War rabbithole), which supplied Richmond during the war, counts as war service for all such workers? Either way, he was in there, and yep Gen. George Stoneman's Union cavalry tore it up more than once.
So he goes back, during the winter of '65, with no Union aid yet coming or whatever they worked out, and he's back in Tenn. keeping his head down, and yeah re that Viney discussion linked upthread, the Robert E. Lee bit does seem like an Elvis sighting etc., since Lee isn't known to have visited that part of the South , also he's being rational re "You take what you need and you leave the rest," applying to soldiers and civilian survivors, or that's how they should be, within limits.
But his brother, Johnny Reb or not, saluted as such, is still his dead brother, with whom he grew up farming, for instance, and gone as Robert E. Lee. The South's not gonna rise again, not the way some who celebrate the Confederacy want, and, The chorus is a kind of funeral elegy, bells ringing that-a way.
Kane, or however you spell it is farming 'til the crops come back and maybe crowd the memories and the empty spaces a little.
So it does leave some areas to be filled in however you want, but still think it's more for commiseration than glorification or false equivalence (I hope).

dow, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link

In the winter of '65,

We were hungry, just barely alive.

By May the tenth, Richmond had fell,: Oh, so the worst of it may have been when the cut-off Danville-Richmond sector ran out of food---physically, he may be more or less okay in Tennessee, the home state of now-President Johnson. But well-fed enough to think about something other than food...

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link

Also, who the hell cares if Robert E. Lee is back or not? He doesn't mention responding to his wife when she tells him, just goes on with his thoughts, sorting it out and mourning his brother.

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

And re the thing about Robertson reading a Civil War book, and Helm's response, that prob contributed to the writing---Like Lou Reed said Nico came to him with the line, "I'll be your mirror, reflect who you are," and Warhol wanted him to write a song about being visious, "Oh, you hit me with a flower"--but Robbie and Lou ain't sharing any credits.

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link

"Vicious" too!

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

i think "dixie" suffers from Born In The USA-itis, in that its anthemic irony gets lost when it turns into a concert singalong fave. as a song, i think it's perfectly valid.

tylerw, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link

Yeah, those moneyshot choruses, man. I mean, when you follow them through the verses, you get it, but they lend themselves to being taken out of context, especially "Born," jeez (although sometimes he's slowed it down and done it as a growly solo performance, going from Broooce to Bruce, as much as possible, on a couple live tapes I've heard).
I gotta look at more of Robertson's lyrics, get past the personality problems.

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link

Could also follow this w Drive-By Truckers' sequel-of-sorts, "The Night GG Allin Came To Town."

dow, Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link

I think due to his terrible rep his lyrics get underrated a lot

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link

Robbie i mean. GG's rep as a respected lyricist is well earned

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

Yeah when he hits his lyrics are amazing, just yesterday I was marveling at this insane realness in "Stage Fright"

I've got fire water right on my breath
And the doctor warned me I might catch a death
Said, "you can make it in your disguise
Just never show the fear that's in your eyes"

If we want to have a discussion about if he actually wrote these lines and wasn't helped by Danko or anyone else...I think that is a fair question

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

Come to think of it, in The Last Waltz, he complained pretty emphatically about The Road, man, "impossible," and remaining members indicated that was a or the bog reason for his calling it quits (for the whole Band),"he didn't wanna be sweating in some airplane hangar any more" (although the last few studio albums with him were not so hot either). So maybe at least some of that was stage fright. Has he done any post-Band shows? (Solo albums, as noted upthread, took a while---maybe some studio/writing/working fright as well?)

dow, Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

"big" reason, I meant, but maybe bog reason too.

dow, Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

xxpost Danko inhabits those lines so well when he sings them that even if he didn't write them he deserves a lot of credit for how great they come off

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link

"stage fright" in the last waltz really gets to me, all the parts with danko or manuel really...but he's kind of frantic and pitched, you could tell those guys had no illusion in their heart of hearts - they knew the road had run out. robbie on the other hand obviously is ready to shed what he felt had become dead weight, proving he knew very little about what made the band he'd been in since he was a kid a great band.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link


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