Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

Incredible that this has been largely forgotten

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/20/bigmouth-strikes-again-row-morrissey-james-baldwin-t-shirt-the-smiths

I just saw how it is exactly 15 years ago that he went straight into the top three with Irish Blood English Heart. It's crazy to think how much has changed in those 15 years. The amount of goodwill he had for that whole era was ridiculous. It really was a perfectly executed comeback and people were so happy to have him back. It's almost impressive to see how much he's managed to piss that all away.

At this point, the Mexican-American community has put up with his outlandish comments the way one might a drunk uncle who won’t shut up at the dinner table. You love him, but he just won’t stop saying terrible things.

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/does-the-mexican-american-community-still-love-morrissey-despite-everything

Yeah I’ve seen it and this is pretty much OTM. His music has a heavy fanbase in mexico and they brush off his insane views as one would with a drunk uncle.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/morrissey-smiths-record-shop-banned-16313914

"Spillers Records bans Morrissey music over his support for the far right"

The amount of goodwill he had for that whole era was ridiculous. It really was a perfectly executed comeback and people were so happy to have him back. It's almost impressive to see how much he's managed to piss that all away.

This is true and he could've had a nice retirement off the back of it - a 6Music Sunday show (syndicated across America maybe), the occasional festival...instead he'll be doing Butlins weekend packages and flogging his CDs from a table in the foyer.

"I don't think the word ‘racist’ has any meaning any more"

Is this cunt for fucking real?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/24/morrissey-posters-banned-by-liverpools-merseyrail-transport-network

This is true and he could've had a nice retirement off the back of it - a 6Music Sunday show (syndicated across America maybe), the occasional festival...instead he'll be doing Butlins weekend packages and flogging his CDs from a table in the foyer.

― fetter, Thursday, 23 May 2019 12:54 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hmm, so you think Racists would be more welcome at Butlins? Hmm?

To be quite honest, he'd be more welcome with a residency in one of the smaller clubs in Las Vegas.

Bears repeating:

YES

― HI DERE, Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:53 PM (eleven years ago)

https://assets.pando.com/_versions/2015/04/screen-shot-2015-04-07-at-11-28-26-pm_featured.png

Gives me pause.

This is true and he could've had a nice retirement off the back of it - a 6Music Sunday show (syndicated across America maybe), the occasional festival...instead he'll be doing Butlins weekend packages and flogging his CDs from a table in the foyer.

seriously this fuckin dude is the definition of a fuckup. plenty of good ways in which he could have leveraged his youthful success and instead, this fuckin shit

he values being a martyr above all else

California Son is currently number two in the mid-weeks behind Lewis Capaldi. Album sales really are ridiculously low at the moment huh?

on the bright side he'll be upset if he doesn't make number 1 because of lewis capaldi

My guess is it'll enter at #6 and drop to #77 the following week.

on the bright side he'll be upset if he doesn't make number 1 because of lewis capaldi

Yes, the guy's name is suspiciously un-British.

How so? Lewis capaldi, giein it laldy, checks out

California Son is currently number two in the mid-weeks behind Lewis Capaldi. Album sales really are ridiculously low at the moment huh?

― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 3:55 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, fucking hell. The sound of Brexit Britain.

Reckon it'll sell 38,908 copies.

cf Guess: The chart position that the new Morrissey album "Low in High School" debuts at.

My guess is it'll enter at #6 and drop to #77 the following week.

― Dan Worsley

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this. My favourites are Shed Seven's comeback album, Instant Pleasures going in at eight (after an initial mid-week where they were number two behind Sam Smith!) and then falling to number 100 the next week. Even better was the last Embrace album which somehow managed a top five placing but was gone from the top 100 the week after. That must have been a pretty awkward call for the label to make to the band in that second week. "It's bad news guys, you're being outsold by three Adele albums and (What's The Story) Morning Glory".

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this.

This has been a noted feature of Morrissey records since the mid-'90s.

That's true. I think he only briefly avoided that kind of run with You Are The Quarry. I remember being annoyed when Keane beat him to number one (even though I thought the album was disappointing). This time round I'm actually rooting for Capaldi to ruin his week. After his last album under-performed he had a moan about it, predictably blaming the media who are obviously all out to get him.

shared unit of analysis (unperson) at 3:14 15 May 19
Some mod should go ahead and change this thread's title to "How Racist Is Morrissey?"

That's true. I think he only briefly avoided that kind of run with You Are The Quarry. I remember being annoyed when Keane beat him to number one (even though I thought the album was disappointing). This time round I'm actually rooting for Capaldi to ruin his week. After his last album under-performed he had a moan about it, predictably blaming the media who are obviously all out to get him.

― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:56 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

he devotes many pages of his autobiography to how his solo records went number 1 and the smiths records didn't, ergo the solo records are better, he is better and more successful by himself etc. although his ego makes him undercut the argument a bit by blaming the smiths' records not going to number 1 on rough trade not handling distro properly

xp requesting “is Morrissey dead yet?”

We already have that one

Morrissey really seriously ill?

Still ill iirc

It's pretty funny to see all these fan-base acts have chart runs like this. My favourites are Shed Seven's comeback album, Instant Pleasures going in at eight (after an initial mid-week where they were number two behind Sam Smith!) and then falling to number 100 the next week. Even better was the last Embrace album which somehow managed a top five placing but was gone from the top 100 the week after. That must have been a pretty awkward call for the label to make to the band in that second week. "It's bad news guys, you're being outsold by three Adele albums and (What's The Story) Morning Glory".

― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:10 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. I don't think anyone has really given a shit about the charts for over a decade now.

It would appear Mozzer gives a shit. In the old days, iirc, it used to be Cliff Richard and Status Quo who were forever banging on about chart placings and not getting airplay.

Indeed - and the charts were far more diverse when they were whining about it.

suggest changing thread title to "Morrissey Is Racist", no need for agnotology here

Alternately, "Why Are We Still Talking About Morrissey?"

Not really. I don't think anyone has really given a shit about the charts for over a decade now.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican)

I'm sure Shed Seven were delighted to make the top 10 that week!

California Son is currently number two in the mid-weeks behind Lewis Capaldi. Album sales really are ridiculously low at the moment huh?
― kitchen person, Tuesday, May 28, 2019 3:55 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bear in mind that some of the "lower-downs" consist of the Elton soundtrack, and a hurtling-upwards Elton Greatesthits, and umm.. Primal Scream? (think he's safe from that one)..

I'm guessing he's dreaming of "5"...

I'm guessing he's dreaming of "5"...

― Mark G

Looks like you could be right. Today's sales

1 Lewis Capaldi - Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent (27.4k)
2 Morrissey - California Son (7.4k) *
3 Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? (6.9k)
4 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Rocketman (5.9k) *
5 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (5.7k)

great news for those promising up-and-comers motion picture cast recording

you just wait until the morrissey biopic hits the big screen

There's been one already (it wasn't a hit):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_Is_Mine

they need to re-launch it as Racistman

Alternately, "Why Are We Still Talking About Morrissey?"

The More we ignore him...

xp lol

Read an interview and he justifies his stance because that racist party supports some form of animal rights (but they do so for racist reasons). Reminds me of why I got out of extreme environmentalism - some people get so extremely orthodox about their practices that they end up turning fascist and anti-human.

that's a bit unfair. animal rights and environmentalism overlap more commonly with left-wing political ideas and anti-oppressive politics. not that eco-fascism and the unabomber don't exist

Also Morrissey was clearly always a cunt and just happens to use racism and pretending to care about animals as two vehicles for that

wins otm - though there's a history of the far right being concerned with animal rights/environmentalism.

Umblumblum foxhunting bla bla

wins otm - I know Morrissey has talked about factory farming but he seems extra mad about animal cruelty committed by people who aren’t white for some reason.

I hate changing thread titles when it makes all the early posts incoherent. Yes, we all know the answer is yes, but people have phrased things in response to the question all the way through this thread. Start a new one if you hate this title.