Wishin' and Votin' - the BURT BACHARACH SONGBOOK Poll Results

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Dusty was a great girl with a really soulful voice, but she was very hard to record. We were both perfectionists but Dusty was much harder on herself than she needed to be and I think that if we had ever tried to do an album together, we would have destroyed one another.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link

xp - The Merseybeats do a version. They're gonna wear their hair just for her.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:08 (four years ago) link

Also The Bad Boys, a weirdly slow version.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/2o9xCag.jpg

13. Don't Make Me Over — 495 Points, 10 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Dionne Warwick, b-side of "I Smiled Yesterday," 1962, 467 points — https://youtu.be/LEgxuE7WD6U
Sybil, 1989 single, 28 points — https://youtu.be/fvb6ovTNQPk

Dionne live tv version, 1967 — https://youtu.be/nFvLcCDvdEA

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link

Fun fact: I have no recollection of hearing "Close To You" before Kim Gordon chose it in a Desert Island Discs type segment on radio here in the early 90s. I don't remember hearing Bacharach at all earlier in childhood, with exactly two exceptions: "Raindrops..." and one other that's presumably coming up soon. I'm not sure how I managed this lack of exposure.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link

Burt on "Don't Make Me Over" --

We cut the song at Bell Sound, and when Hal and I brought it to Florence Greenberg, she cried. Not because of how much she liked the record. Florence cried because of how much she [i]didn't like it. Both of us were really taken aback by her reaction but there was nothing we could do or say to make her change her mind. She wound up putting out "Don't Make Me Over" as the B-side of "I Smiled Yesterday," a song we had cut at the same session.[/i]

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link

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12. My Little Red Book — 523 Points, 10 Votes, 1 first-place vote
Lyric: Hal David
Love, 1966 single, 434 points — https://youtu.be/f-SuGfLhqo4
Manfred Mann, 1965 single, 89 points — https://youtu.be/se7Ywa668aw

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link

Don't Make Me Over was my number 2, would be number 1 some days

The way Dusty sings "you will be his" on Wishin' is absolute joy

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link

if Don't Make Me Over has any flaw it's that the first two lines are the peak, really

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link

Hadn't thought of that, but it really does announce itself from the start.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link

It's the soul of the song, the rest is - admittedly beautiful - elaboration

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link

What was the first recorded version of “My Little Red Book”?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link

The Manfred Mann version.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link

I gave my points to Manfred Mann's. It's BB's preference too, apparently. Love simplified some chords too much for his liking, or something!?

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link

Paul Jones, the vocalist on the track:

Manfred Mann could read music and he was a jazz piano player and a jazz fan and wrote a fortnightly column in Jazz News, but he couldn't play Burt's stuff. The story about Burt having to move Manfred off the piano bench is absolutely true. In fact, it was slightly more subtle than that. Burt said to Manfred, "Look, I tell you what. You play the left hand and I'll do the right hand." Then they switched and Manfred did the right hand and Burt did the left hand and eventually Burt was sitting at the piano alone. Manfred didn't hold it against Burt for a moment, and has actually said that he admired the tactful way he had been edged out.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link

I voted for the Manfred Mann version too. It was Love 8, Mann 2.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link

"Twenty-Four Hours from Tulsa" has this weird, mesmerizing beat that I also associate with "Down in the Boondocks,"

really sharp observation

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/GMfOvlH.jpg

11. Do You Know the Way to San Jose — 576 Points, 12 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Dionne Warwick, 1968 single, 538 points — https://youtu.be/CnzTgUc5ycc
Frankie Goes to Hollywood, from Welcome to the Pleasuredome (1984), 38 points — https://youtu.be/wgy3p-L8RRg

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link

upthread there was a suggestion of a side poll for songwriters that write like burt. i think arthur lee and bacharach definitely have an affinity. i think "a house is not a motel" is almost certainly a BB reference, i think it's significant that the first love single was a burt tune, and i think it helps to explain the really quite sophisticated and sometimes baffling chord changes on "forever changes" if you imagine arthur lee sitting around the house and plunking out the melody lines to various BB songs on the piano

xp

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link

impossible for me to untangle "san jose" from childhood, but dionne's version is something i cherish

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link

love the little organ flourishes around "and all the stars that never were ... "

love the tone of the kick drum

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link

Ah, I had no idea that Burt had something to do with the Manfred Mann version, with which I was barely familiar with, voted for the other one. Always figured there was some kind of Scepter artist or someone else in the US that he had done it with first, now I see that it was recorded for What’s New Pussy at? One tiny extra thing in favor of the Love version for me is that it morphed through a game of Red Telephone into “Interstellar Overdrive.”
i think "a house is not a motel" is almost certainly a BB reference
Was thinking the same thing yesterday

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link

Agree with both your posts about “San Jose”

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link

San Jose is one of my karaoke faves. LA is a great big freeway has always been powerfully evocative to my small town arse. Put it at 5

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

If "The Last One To Be Loved" doesn't place, I'll be very sorry I didn't vote.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link

you should be sorry either way !

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link

Waiting For Eric (To Come Vote)

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link

xps Nice. Interesting that a jazz background would make unaccented chords hard.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/9aYh17X.jpg

10. What the World Needs Now Is Love — 584 Points, 13 Votes, 1 first-place vote
lyric: Hal David
Jackie DeShannon, 1965 single, 524 points — https://youtu.be/IQ2SAtkEsqU
Burt Bacharach and The Posies, from the Austin Powers - International Man of Mystery soundtrack, 1997, 60 points — https://youtu.be/u7uh15s23nQ

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link

xps Nice. Interesting that a jazz background would make unaccented chords hard.

Don’t totally buy it, to be honest

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link

xp to nv

agree about the freeway lyric. also love the imagery of "parking cars and pumping gas"

i have no problem saying that i just love the mythology of the song, the mystique of going west to make it big, the fatigue, the disillusionment, the small town that welcomes you back with open arms. i love its wistfulness

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link

Maybe in the Spinal Tap sense of U.K. Jazz Blues/Blues Jazz etc.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link

Well maybe that’s not quite fair. It’s considered corny in jazz to play every beat of the same voicing of the same chord over and over again so he probably wasn’t used to it, as he says.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link

i mean he was gigging in jazz clubs in johannesburg in the late '50s, though his stage name was initially a tip of the hat to shelly manne, which sort of gives you a clue as to the type of jazz he was playing

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link

Did not know all that and just read more about it, thanks.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/ymV4Mco.jpg

9. I'll Never Fall in Love Again — 601 Points, 14 Votes, 1 first-place vote
lyric: Hal David
Dionne Warwick, 1970 single, 445 points — https://youtu.be/FzQBOBoPg04
Bobbie Gentry, 1969 single, 60 points — https://youtu.be/S-g2RCdk8nI
Burt Bacharach & Elvis Costello, from The Spy Who Shagged Me soundtrack (1999), 60 points — https://youtu.be/yNJLrLS6VG0
Ella Fitzgerald, 1969 single, 24 points — https://youtu.be/dxfMIAZw1RY
Jill O'Hara & Jerry Orbach, from the Promises, Promises Broadway cast recording (1968), 12 points — https://youtu.be/1xp_-mHR8gY

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link

Voted for Dionne but the Elvis Costello version has grown on me.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link

dionne's vocal is lovely but this song just doesn't have hook imo, it's just continually unresolved in a way that i find mildly unpleasant

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link

probably the germs to catch pneumonia

it's great

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link

Even though I voted for it, this song has always seemed lyrically a little undercooked, a little rushed -- which makes sense since they had one whole day to write it. "Out of those chains, those chains that bind you" -- repeating the phrase feels like placeholder text, "I'll come up with something better later" but he never did.

But anyway, I love the spareness of the Jill & Jerry version, just acoustic guitar and a little bass.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:41 (four years ago) link

i always though the Warwick version was released as a single in '69, to ensure that the show had a hit before it opened?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link

the b-side of that ella fitzgerald 45 is "savoy truffle" ??

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link

Both "Close to You" and to a lesser extent "W & H" have too much treacle for me to embrace

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

Nope, Dionne rode the coattails for once. xp

budo jeru, yes! I keep meaning to listen to it...

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

Ella version of “Savoy Truffle” not bad, yet another side benefit of this thread.

But anyway, I love the spareness of the Jill & Jerry version, just acoustic guitar and a little bass.

This is the one where you switched your vote, right?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I think that was the one.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/O8oNEQa.jpg

8. Make It Easy On Yourself — 611 Points, 10 Votes, 1 first-place vote
Lyric: Hal David
The Walker Brothers, 1965 single, 306 points — https://youtu.be/bZTS9H-l5qQ
Jackie Trent, from Once More With Feeling (1967), 155 points — https://youtu.be/y_FN9-mthXA
Jerry Butler, 1962 single, 150 points — https://youtu.be/eKERP-GocsI

In early 1962 after the "Mexican Divorce" recording session, Burt and Hal started using Dionne Warwick as vocalist on their demos. Here's the demo of "Make It Easy On Yourself" - https://youtu.be/PCtVWYsnzNA

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link

Had Jerry Butler version at #8. Believe that was Burt’s first (uncredited) session as producer and not just as arranger.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link

That was my #1. Opted for the Jackie Trent version, largely for the big orchestral arrangement tbh.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link


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