Your nominations for the ILX AMBIENT ALBUMS POLL (nominations close on Friday, May 31st)

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Tony Conrad - Four Violins
Tim Hecker - Ravedeath, 1972
Eliane Radigue - Trilogie de Mort
Eliane Radigue - Adnos I-III
Belong - October Language
Folke Rabe - What??
Eluvium, Talk Amongst the Trees
Laraaji, Ambient 3: Day of Radiance
Earth, 2
Charlemagne Palestine, Strumming for Bosendorfer Piano
Shamantis, U Smile (800% Slower)
Sunroof!, Bliss
Brian Eno - Apollo
Lichens - The Psychic Nature Of Being
Phil Niblock - Nothing to Look at Just a Record
La Monte Young - Dream House 78' 17"
La Monte Young - The Black Record
La Monte Young - The Tamburas of Pandit Pran Nath
Keith Fullerton Whitman - Playthroughs
Keith Fullerton Whitman - Lisbon

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link

Here's my nominations:

Alio Die & Sylvi Alli ‎– Amidst the Circling Spires
Alquimia ‎– "Coatlicue" Goddess of the Earth
Baked Beans ‎– Baked Beans
Biosphere - Departed Glories
Constance Demby – Novus Magnificat: Through the Stargate
Debit - Animus
Éliane Radigue – Jetsun Mila
France Jobin ‎– Intrication
Iotronica – Of Moons and Stars
John Tavener - Towards Silence (Signum Classics 2010)
Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith – Tides
Khan & Walker ‎– Empire State Building
Lorenzo Montanà ‎– Phase IX
Lucia Hwong ‎– Secret Luminescence
Lucette Bourdin - Nordic Waves, Vol. 2: Spring
Mariolina Zitta ‎– Concert for Bats, Voices and Natural Sounds
Meg Bowles – The Shimmering Land
Minilogue - Blomma
Move D ‎– The Silent Orbiter
Music to Films ‎– Music to Films
Oliver Lieb – Inside Voices
Omni Vu Deity ‎– Uvunayatu
Organic Cloud – Organic Cloud
Shades of Orion – Shades of Orion 2
Solar Quest ‎– Orgship
Sheila Chandra – ABoneCroneDrone
Silence – Silence V
Suzanne Ciani ‎– Seven Waves
Vangelis – Soil Festivities
Zalys - Sublime

(30/30)

Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link

Hiroshi Yoshimura - Wave Notation 1: Music for Nine Post Cards
Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster & Panaiotis - Deep Listening
Ben Frost - By the Throat
Ben Frost - AURORA
Alva Noto + Ryuichi Sakamoto - Insen

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link

Music for Nine Post Cards already nominated :)

lotta great stuff already

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link

I think IDM classics are mostly ambient techno, so I'm rather against their inclusion too.

Would any of these qualify?
Eno + Laraaji - Ambient 3 (I see Whiney already nommed it)
Fennesz - Venice
Richard Skelton - Landings
Julia Kent - Asperities

My nominations:
Oren Ambarchi - Triste
Colleen - The Golden Morning Breaks
Eluvium - Copia
Kinski - Don't Climb On And Take The Holy Water
Labradford - E Luxo So
Labradford - fixed::context
A Winged Victory for the Sullen - Atomos

7/30

Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

napalm death

imago, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link

^i did make a quick 10% time stretch of "you suffer", and it's the most ambient 20 second burst of pain you've ever heard

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link

so were conflating ambient and drone again

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link

anything without a pulse is ambient now

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link

tony Conrad - fine purveyor of furniture music

Ok I’ll stop

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link

Irresistible Force - Global Chillage
Irresistible Force - Dreamfish
Biospehere - Patashnik
Rather Interesting presents DOTS
Masters of Psychedelic Ambiance - "Mu"
Further - 5 Further Journeys
MLO - IO
FAX et al : The Ambient Cookbook vol. 1
Future Sound of London - Lifeforms

mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link

so were conflating ambient and drone again

i'm sure there's a whole thread on this, but there's not exactly a fine line

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link

Harold Budd - Lovely Thunder
Yagya - Rigning
Steve Roach - Structures From Silence

omar little, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link

if I used it to fall asleep to at any point in my life, it's ambient :)

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

These Hammock LPs

Hammock - Kenotic 
Hammock - Raising Your Voice...Trying to Stop an Echo 
Hammock - Oblivion Hymns

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

Grouper - A I A: Dream Loss
Chubby Wolf - Ornitheology
Tetsu Inoue - Ambiant Otaku
Hiroshi Yoshimura - Green
Eleh - Location Momentum
Kyle Bobby Dunn - Kyle Bobby Dunn and the Infinite Sadness
Marble Sky - Marble Sky
Catherine Christer Hennix - Central Palace Music
Christopher Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the Sea
ASC - No Stars Without Darkness
Kid606 - Recollected Ambient Works, Vol. 1: Bored of Excitement
Alex Cobb - Chantepleure
Ian William Craig - A Turn of Breath
Marconi Union - Weightless
Loscil - Endless Falls
DJ Olive - Sleep

16/30

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link

Hijokaidan ‎– Noise From Trading Cards

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link

sorry, j/k, promise I’m done

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link

if I used it to fall asleep to at any point in my life, it's ambient :)

well, in that case I should nom every classic era Moody Blues album

mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link

Christopher Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the Sea

I love this one so much, thanks for nominating!

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link

it's so good, gonna have to (try to) campaign for that one

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link

Moss Harvest - Constructs Of Loss And Longing

17/30

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link

There's definitely Ambient as a liise genre and Ambient as an even looser way of listening but hey

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link

Anyway

Aloof Proof - Piano Text

(1/30)

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link

Daniel Pemberton - Bedroom
Spacetime Continuum - Sea Biscuit
Axiom Ambient - Lost in the Translation
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
David Sylvian/Holger Czukay - Flux and Mutability
Juno Reactor - Luciana

mark e, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link

oh wait gotta correct the name tho lol

Christoph Heemann & Andrew Chalk - Mirror of the Sea

17/30

lowercase (eric), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link

so were conflating ambient and drone again

― brimstead, Thursday, May 16, 2019 2:39 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link

I will die never knowing the difference between hard bop and post bop.

billstevejim, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link

xp way to miss the point but whatever's easiest for you i guess

some actual noms
DJ Olive - Buoy
Heathered Pearls - Loyal
Robert Turman - Flux
Strategy - Noise Tape Self
Terekke - Improvisational Loops
Various - Pop Ambient 2002
Brian Eno - Reflection
Randall McClellan ‎– The Healing Music Of Rana Vol. II
Randall McClellan ‎– The Healing Music Of Rana Vol. III

(8/30)

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link

oops 9/30

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

i'm just saying isn't the point of stuff like phil niblock for you to like listen to attentively so you can trip out and stuff?

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link

sorry sorry i'm done really

brimstead, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

The KLF - Chill Out
The Orb - Chill Out, World!
New Dreams Ltd. - Sleepline
Jean-Michel Jarre - Waiting for Cousteau

(not sure which Orb albums really count here, and quite frankly I'm not sure about the other two either)

frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link

Ben Frost - By the Throat

There are a lot of competing definitions of ambient, coming up with submissions that fall under none of them is quite an achievement.

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link

If we're going broad, does Live From A Shark Cage count? Sowiesoso? No Pussyfooting?

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link

Keith Fullerton Whitman - Lisbon
Petrels - Haeligewielle
JD Emmanuel - Wizards
Eyvind Kang - Live Low to the Earth, in the Iron Age
Biosphere - Substrata
Peter Wright - An Angel Fell Where the Kestrels Hover
Susumu Yokota - Sakura
Daevid Allen - Seven Drones
Sun Electric - 30.7.94
Roly Porter - Aftertime
Roy Montgomery - Scenes From the South Island
Birchville Cat Motel - Beautiful Speck Triumph
Robert Ashley - Private Parts

13/30

Well aware some of these are pushing it!

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link

Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue - 2350 Broadway IV
Sleep Research Facility - Deep Frieze
Blamstrain - Disfold
Jeff Greinke - Cities in Fog
Nicholas Szczepanik - We Make Life Sad
Colleen - Everyone Alive Wants Answers
Loscil - Sea Island
1991 - No More Dreams

(8/30)

^playing it safe for now. wonder if I should be an asshole and nominate a bunch of deadmau5 albums in my next post

lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link

Huerco S. - Colonial Patterns
Prurient - Rainbow Mirror

(10/30)

lispectah deck (unregistered), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link

Chinaski: Whiney already nominated KFW's Lisbon!

Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link

Eck - I'm blind!

Bang on A Can - Music for Airports
Mary Lattimore - The Withdrawing Room
Alva Noto - Xerrox Vol.1
High Aura'd - Sanguine Futures
The Dead Texan - The Dead Texan
1 Mile North - Minor Shadows
Motion Sickness of Time Travel- Motion Sickness of Time Travel
Koen Holtkamp - Gravity / Bees
Mountains - Sewn

(22/30)

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link

i guess i'm going to nominate a catchall ambient-era OPN release, even though it's sort of a comp:

Oneohtrix Point Never - Rifts

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link

Loscil - Plume
Stars Of The Lid - And Their Refinement of the Decline
Kasper Bjørke Quartet ‎– The Fifty Eleven Project
CFCF ‎– Exercises
Tommy Awards - Sessions II
Wilson Tanner - 69
The Fires Of Ork ‎– The Fires Of Ork 2
Hatchback ‎– Zeus & Apollo
Various ‎– (The Microcosm) Visionary Music Of Continental Europe, 1970-1986

(9/30)

The CFCF record is 8 tracks but don't think it's over 30 minutes

(And are comps allowed? Saw Ambient Cookbook was nominated upthread so thought they might be)

groovypanda, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link

brian eno - the shutov assembly
thomas köner - kaamos
thomas köner - daikan
tetsu inoue - world receiver
superficial depth - digital superimposing
tom heasley- where the earth meets the sky
tom heasley - on the sensations of tone
environments 2 tintinnabulation special low frequency version
jim o'rourke - sleep like it's winter
vangelis - invisible connections
oren ambarchi - suspension
tetsu inoue - yolo
lovesliescrushing - glissceule
evan parker / lawrence casserly - solar wind
14/30

massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link

Comps are allowed, yeah, as long as they're not box sets or other such sets that compile multiple albums.

Tuomas, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link

OK I'm going to break the seal:

Autechre - Garbage
Fennesz - Venice
Richard Skelton - Landings
Julia Kent - Asperities

Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link

11/30

Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link

A Broken Consort- The Shape Leaves
Brian McBride- When the Detail Lost Its Freedom
David Behrman- On the Other Ocean
Henry Flynt- You Are My Everlovin/Celestial Power
Kammarheit- The Starwheel
Loscil- Endless Falls
New Risen Throne- Shadows Over Humanity
Robert Turman & Aaron Dilloway- Blizzard
Seven Fields of Aphelion- Periphery
Sunn 0))) & Ulver- Terrestrials

(10/30)

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link

Harmonia & Eno – Harmonia & Eno ’76
Kevin Drumm – Imperial Distortion
Environments 6: Dawn And Dusk In The Okefenokee Swamp

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link

Was wondering when someone was going to nominate "And Their Refinement of the Decline," groovypanda. Glad someone nominated it— it's my favorite of theirs.

Also, you nominated Plume, so I had to go with Endless Falls, which is my second favorite of his records.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link

Shit, I forgot!

Windy & Carl- Depths

makes 11/30 for me

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link

sustained washes? are you thinking of another album?

brimstead, Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:27 (four years ago) link

https://www.discogs.com/style/harsh+noise+wall

brimstead, Saturday, 1 June 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link

https://harshnoisewally.tumblr.com/

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:35 (four years ago) link

One more nom

Broken Hearted Dragonflies: Insect Electronica From Southeast Asia

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link

Also don’t forget

FM3 - The Buddha Machine

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 03:06 (four years ago) link

The Buddha Machine is not a record, so it's not eligible, sorry. If you want, you can nominate some of FM3's actual albums. Also, someone has already nominated Robert Henke's Layering Buddha, which is an album made by sampling the Buddha Machine, so you can always vote for that.

Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 06:59 (four years ago) link

It doesn't look like I have the time to go through the nominations today, so I'm gonna give you 24 hours more time. The nomination process ends this time tomorrow.

Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 07:01 (four years ago) link

Boris - Flood
Julia Kent - Temporal
Julia Kent - Character

Speaking of last minute, how about this Anthony Rother?

I have that album (62 Minutes on Mars), and while it's not among my favourite FAX releases, it's indubitably ambient. So feel free to nominate it, if you wanna.

Tuomas, Saturday, 1 June 2019 11:19 (four years ago) link

many xposts to Viborg, I really think that Richard Skelton's work (Landings in particular, as well as his work as A Broken Consort) is probably my highest-rated of the past decade after SotL. it's definitely more influence by Arvo Part and a sort of academic minimalism, but it has an emotional depth in its slight variations that make it really worth for me.

Here's one from Landings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NTvcfkPq4Y

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link

and here is how his latest is described:

Music for the retreating ice-sheets of Iceland, produced whilst on a 'Frontiers in Retreat' residency in Seyðisfjörður in 2016.

www.frontiersinretreat.org/artists/richard_skelton

Front Variations is composed from sine waves subjected to increasing amounts of feedback in order to simulate the so-called 'ice-albedo' feedback mechanism.

This is the process whereby the action of melting glaciers reduces the global surface area of ice, thereby reducing the amount of solar radiation that glaciers reflect, which in turn increases global temperatures and causes further glacial melting.

Ring modulation and distortion were also used to further deteriorate the sound signal.

Front Variations is also available as part of Quoin 4 - the annual publication for friends and patrons of Corbel Stone Press. Quoin 4 features data collected by the World Glacier Monitoring Service and aerial photography of arctic glaciers from the US Naval Oceanographic Office.

https://aeolian.bandcamp.com/album/front-variations-one-two

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link

Kyle Bobby Dunn - From Here To Eternity

just came out, and it's really good

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 1 June 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link

The Buddha Machine is not a record, so it's not eligible, sorry.

― Tuomas, Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:59 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is an absolute horseshit decision, you can listen to it on spotify*

https://open.spotify.com/album/7COTnWvHjhkq10ph3q4xH4?si=koVhRwTiQLmeodVPb4NbMg

*also thanks for spending an insane amount of your free time on this internet poll for my enjoyment

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link

Can I sneak in:

M. Geddes Gengras - Ishi
Omicron - Acrocosm
V/A - Plug In + Turn On Vol. 2
Skyramps - Days of Thunder (is this ambient?)

beard papa, Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link

lol whiney

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link

It has an entry on Discogs too, idk what else you need

https://www.discogs.com/FM3-Buddha-Machine/master/517873

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

According to that Discogs tracklist it’s too short!

Siegbran, Saturday, 1 June 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link

Bonus time! I'll submit my final three:

Löwenritter - Prelude: Ten Seconds Before Sunrise
Vangelis - Fais Que Ton Rêve Soit Plus Long Que La Nuit
Cernunnos Woods - Awaken the Empire of Dark Wood

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link

Cernunnos Woods, now there’s a name I haven’t heard in over twenty years.

Siegbran, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link

Great call on Kasumasa Hashimoto, I must revisit his stuff, I love that little boutique label he was on, Noble Records, they have some lovely music, much better than Childisc.

MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link

dark forest ambient! it has some spoken word bits, but then so does the Harold Budd/Clive Wright stuff

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link

Dang it *Kazumasa

MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link

was considering Midori Takada's "Through the Looking Glass" but it seemed a bit too dynamic.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link

Kazumasa Hashimoto can be a bit twee but I find it delicate and poignant at its best. I don't want to discriminate but it seems like the urge to sweeten the mood is a common strain in much of the Japanese electronic music I've heard. There's a Japanese artist called Pass Into Silence who's made releases on Kompakt, the songs are some of the most exquisite ambient creations ever (I'm not so familiar with LPs). But it definitely has a lullaby quality about it.

MaresNest, what else do you especially like on Noble Records?

viborg, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link

Saw1

kraudive, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link

I find that Japanese musicians have a hard time making garden variety flat-line ambient or drone, they like to add more movement in there than is common sometimes adding more unusual chords and so on...

For noble records, I would recommend maybe Cinq, Midori Hirano, World's End Girlfriend, oh and Yasushi Yoshida especially.

MaresNest, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link

I have an urge to embitter the mood, but still keep it sweet, like a foodie dark chocolate bar.

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Sunday, 2 June 2019 05:39 (four years ago) link

Spotify playlist not *quite* three weeks long. Its growth really slooowwwwed in the last few days, with all the retractions and generous helpings of not-on-Spotify stuff.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 2 June 2019 07:27 (four years ago) link

After consideration, I'm gonna allow the Buddha Machine in the poll. It's true that the individual loops only amount to 3 minutes of playing time, but on obviously the way it works means the music goes on as long as you want. And it certainly meets both the functional and aesthetic definition of ambient music perfectly.

Tuomas, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link

The nominations are now closed, thanks to everyone for nomming such cool stuff! I'll finish the album sheet and probably will start the voting thread later today.

Tuomas, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link

Thats too bad I forgot to nominate my refrigerator, it makes a very pleasant hum.

Siegbran, Sunday, 2 June 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link

Eh I find your fridge to be a bit cold and empty with just a few stale old reheated ideas. Never enough to chew on and yet I keep coming back to it thinking there’ll be something new.

Evan, Sunday, 2 June 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

Fair enough, I retract the fridge.

Siegbran, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

Lots of found fridge sounds among the current noms tbf.

pomenitul, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link

Woooooo!

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link

I haven't got a chuffing CLUE about how to rank my choices. Might have to go unweighted for the first time ever.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link

Weighting feels very counter to the ambient spirit ;-)

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 June 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

XP - Rothko at the top plz :)

MaresNest, Sunday, 2 June 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link

Can I at least hear the fridge to judge for myself before it's denommed to the abyss?

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 03:51 (four years ago) link

of course, it's playing right now, you just have to listen for it ... very carefully

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link


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