Something Wick This Way Comes

John Wick 3 out soon.

ITT talk about John Wick and movies. about John Wick

Firstly: world-building is usually just another term for fan service and its therefore usually bad.

This applies here also.

But they manage to absorb the hit and keep momentum going, for the most part.

Like John Wick

Secondly: Meta casting is a good thing and can be worth twenty mins of exposition, exposition being the devil.

This applies here also and is a significant ingredient in the franchise success so far

Thirdly: Looks as good as a raven in a silk cloak shot like a George Michael video in 1995

Fourth(ly?)- hums along with the internal rhythms of a norse saga

The problem with the fishburne casting isn’t that it’s meta it’s that the scene is very bad and long and he is very very bad in it

that comes under world-building imo

all casting in this is meta casting fishburne is minor stuff

I only saw the first JW movie last week. The action is hilariously brutal.

I always feel like a cop for suggesting these films might actually be better without the tedious bits but yeah it all comes under “world building”. I believe it was our skot who said “ppl love rules I guess”

well look fanfic is demonstrably an evil in this world, not all world-building or expansion is that and some of it is good but mostly its terrible

theres enough good about the wicks not to dwell tho

having the inciting incident of these movies being the murder of the world’s most adorable puppy is maybe the best plotting decision in cinema history imo

not because i hate puppies but because it means whatever carnage wick unleashes is 140% justified

it absolutely matters, yeah

i cant even remember how the line is delivered in the first one or if im just imagining it but the main dudes incredulous "you shot john wicks DOGGGGGGG?" when he discovers why his entire org must fall is a good mood setter for the entire series.

yeah ridiculous and yeah funny but also sorry you all have to die and nobody has to care thats the way it is bub

these movies are, i think, the very best keanu vehicles because he’s a really gifted physical actor and they are stripped of almost everything which gets in the way of letting him move

yeah, sure they dont even let the poor bugger stop afaict

The second one's background/world-building were never going to live up to the whole sequence of John Leguizamo sipping on a Scotch looking weary, "he killed John Wick's dog" "oh," O'Riley from Oz as henchman all cross cut with Wick breaking up concrete to get to his guns and coins.

cant see that as world building

thats just setting a comeuppance

the worldbuiiding, such as it is, works because it’s inherently kinda silly and cartoonish, ie a good backdrop for the ultraviolent looney tunes of the action sequences

it works as far as it does because its surrounded by excellence

if the execution(s) or keanu were any less superb then it would drag the movie down into just another cynical nerd/completionista exploitation flick

Lovejoy's hotel for assassins concierged by Cedric Daniels is definitely a place I would stay

it is p much the job i see him quitting the cessmire of major crimes for, def

cynical’s an interesting word to bring up in this context - are these the least cynical action movies of recent times? like, the whole thing is an exercise in the joy of motion more than anything else - it’s like the olympics but with more neon violence and less shocking corporate corruption

they are very lean, which i think is at least aligned to non-cynical, in that you have to add in elements to get cynicism (among other things)

all centres on keanu, rly. you cam project a lot, or nothing, onto his casting/role/performance

keanu is very lean too

Tbh it’s only in the second one that the bad stuff drags the fun stuff down - the fucking barter system of hogwarts assassin guild or whatever should have as little time spent on it as possible because it’s embarrassing shit however you deadpan it. I only saw it once but it felt like 20 long minutes at a time of that stuff between action scenes when I was in the cinema. The version of jw2 that’s 90 minutes long may well be lean

Still up for pt 3 obv

david lean six sigma thats how good this is gonna be

smdh at first one; needed a shower after

if this is satire, it forgot to be satirical

is it satirical?

i wouldn't have said so.

knowing, but not winking.

if you cant appreciate it for what it is then i think abe had a line for you to use as a future guide

Started re-watching 2 last night - I think my favorite bit is when Keanu arrives in Rome and the proprietor of the local Continental asks him if he's there to kill the Pope. When the answer (after a long pause) is no, the guy smiles and says "OK then - enjoy your stay" and hands him his room key. Cracked me up in the theater; still funny now.

All of the septuagenarians in my gf's family are psyched to see 3 this weekend, q: will I need to see 2 first in order to follow the intricacies of plot

the proprietor of the local Continental asks him if he's there to kill the Pope

yeah this was genuinely hilarious

also just noticed that JW2 and JW3 feature, respectively, a genderfluid and non-binary primary cast member, which is neat!

if this is romcom, it forgot to be rom or com

if this is a musical, it forgot to have songs

if this is documentary, it forgot to be a record of real-life events captured contemporaneously

neither of these movies are satire my god

i do like to think of them as a horror movie franchise from a retired horror movie monster's perspective

(Only barely tangentially related but have you seen Tucker & Dale Vs. Evil, Brad?)

as a teen beach party movie starring frankie avalon and annette funicello, it’s a real failure iirc

TBF and IMO, the failing of most films is that they are not teen beach party movies starring Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello.

well, yeah

ol, yes see 2

fwiw i didn't think the first one was satire. just crap.

ol, yes see 2

How about the first one, is that necessary for the other two? I think the only way I could watch this with my partner would be to skip the puppy murder.

look

i cannot in any faith recommend anyone to not see john wick

insofar as plot matters youd have to seem em all in order but happily.....prob plot is a nice-to-have in these movies

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John Wick 3 as the 2016 election/Pro-Bernie propaganda

--The high table is the democratic party, obsessed with rules and norms to their own detriment
--The adjudicator is Hillary, a seasoned professional fighting a broken system just trying to keep everything normal.
--John Wick is Bernie Sanders, the rogue veteran, a little old but still a scrapper. He's already got the young fighters obsessed with him (Zero), but has to win over older voters who are set in their ways/routines (Anjelica Huston) and the women who still claim fealty to the high table (Halle Berry)
--Visiting Berrada was the DNC kneecapping him in the primaries
--Winston is Trump, whose only concern is himself and maintaining status/money/power and his HOTEL
--Lawrence Fishburne and his crew are the mobilized lower class electorate who is going to help Wick and Bernie rise to victory in Part 4 (2020)

wheres biden

sorry, meant to post that to the twin peaks thread with a fuller theory that it itself is a 2020 allegory

This was so violent it was almost hallucinogenic at times.

The least of the three but only really cause the last 10 minutes is a bit enh

This was so violent it was almost hallucinogenic at times.

seeing this tomorrow at 10:00. ANTE MERIDIEM!!

agree (spoiling nothing) the overhead sequence was where it really came to life

Weirdly I think I like the 'world-building'/non-action sequences more than the action ones in these movies. Would also be fine if there were zero guns. Psyched to see it this weekend though.

ridiculous number of on-location action scenes in this one

feeling sheepish that I couldn't quite put my finger on who the large german man was when I'm definitely a Scott Adkins fan

just putting this here

https://defector.com/the-gunplay-of-john-wick-is-a-bit-too-real-for-comfort

Saw this, didn't really like it even if in theory I like some of the things they're doing (not overexplaining backstory, real locations and choreography, etc).

Basically I don't like any of the scenes where people are shooting guns, they're boring and go on forever.

I do however like the scenes in opulent spaces where people are discussing rules and rituals, there should be much more of that.

(I'm aware this is my own fault for seeing a John Wick movie)

JW4 motivated me to rewatch part of the Ip Man series, but unfortunately, the one streaming service that I have that had Ip Man 3 only had the dubbed version. whoever made that choice should be in the hague

Enjoyed the first two, but the third was just headshot after headshot and it felt a bit uncreative, and eventually wince-enducing.

xpost still baffled at why they put Mike Tyson in that one. he didn't really add much to the movie even though I liked it a lot

saw this over the weekend for my first return to theaters after 3 years, loved it thoroughly (with one minor-ish caveat I will mention below).
Some random thoughts that haven't been brought up yet:
-Loved the weirdly specific in joke stunt casting of having the infamous Berghain door man play Klaus, the sadistic dude who helps Wick get into Wick-verse Berghain.
-Overheard sequence was the highlight for me. I assumed it was a clear Hotline Miami reference, but interviews indicate it was based on another video game called Hong Kong Massacre, which all reviews describe as a Hotline Miami clone. Still, someone in production seems to have connected the dots to Hotline Miami because the soundtrack for this one was clearly very influenced by it.
-Finally, I love Scott Adkins and was hyped to hear he was in this, but the decision to put him in a fatsuit and to make him a Fat Bastard style gross big dude felt a tad too cartoonish (for this very cartoonish franchise) and also more than a bit fatphobic. I spent the first couple minutes he was on screen trying to figure out if it really was Scott Adkins, then when I realized that it definitely was him, I was wondering why they cast him for this role instead of just getting a huge dude who could fight to do it instead. The fight itself was great, but in light of recent discourse around The Whale among other things, I feel like this aspect will age quite poorly and I'm kind of surprised to not see more objections to it online, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Also, tbf, my fiancee works at a hospital unit with patients who have eating disorders so we might be more sensitive to these kinds of things than most.
Still overall, this ripped and I am excited to see it again soon.

I saw this yesterday and was just about to post my incredulity that no one had mentioned there's a 20 min scene in the movie where john wick fights fat bastard

this is the first wick movie I've seen in theaters, usually I've played these movies in the background when I cook or something so I can tune out when it gets boring, and I guess I've never paid attention to them. I took the edible in an afternoon showing route, and had a very nice time having a moviegoing experience, sitting in a theater etc., but I found this to just have a really racist vibe, idk how to describe it. It felt like a racist rape-forward perfume ad about customer service, but that's just my review of the vibe of it.

The Sacré-Coeur stairs sequence is everything.

Really is!

I'm in the minority, but Bill Skarsgård delivered the laffs as purported arch-villain: serpentine, emotionally supported by Géricault canvases, aware that he's way over his head but (almost!) able to bring it off.

loved rina sawayama in this, sad she wasn't in it more. they kinda made it seem like her and jw would team up to whup some ass

i was confused by skarsgard's accent--was it intentionally like a french-african thing?

The confusion helped his performance: a kid pantomiming a marquis

ftr I didn't stick around for post-credits. I had an Easter brunch to hit and it was already late.

I liked Skarsgård but watching the staircase sequence felt like as much of a slog as it was supposed to be for the characters, and I don't accept that that was the intent.

Anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4GmiggFXRI

I thought this was great, especially the sound design. Very specific about where bullets and casings were hitting and landing.

There's something about the Wick movies, where they take themselves very seriously but ... maybe not totally seriously? They're pretty untethered to any sort of reality by this ridiculous but inspired concept of a global underground secret society of stylish and superhumanly trained hitmen and assassins, hiding in plain sight and bound by rules and honor and ancient codes of conduct, let alone Wick himself, an unstoppable, indefatigable force that leaves behind literally hundreds of bodies in prominent places around the world over the course of, what, a week or so? I'd love to see the headlines.

Someone put the four-movie death count at 439, most of which come at the hands of Wick. I love how even after leaving behind a bloody trail of the best-trained (would-be) killers, still more fodder come out of the woodwork to try to take him on. Like, sure, he just killed 400 people single-handedly, but hey, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take!

Oh, and fuck a post credits sequence. If it's important, put it in the fucking movie, which was already (checks watch) plenty minutes long.

I've never seen any of the Fast and Furious movies, are they at all like this? They just always seemed dumb to me.

f&f are far worse imo

I really wanted to see Wick in the theatre but had to walk out when it started because it was painfully loud. I was hoping it was just the previews but nope. Am I just getting old? This was the first time I’ve been to the cinema in 4 yrs. We checked a decibel measuring app and it was as loud as jet engines.

This is fun but Bill Skarsgard weird accent is just bad bad bad.

*Skarsgard's

Skarsgård's

mh otm

i realize i am uncharacteristically late to the John Wick 4 party

you guys <3

Full operatic mode! whole-ass epic! oh and YES we are climbing the darkened stairway to heaven and when we get there hold on to your butts because we’re duelling under a SKY that looks like a goddamn Titian painting

cannot love this series enough
i love this one SO much

the color stories, the fact that they are mixing all these weapons in these fight sequences so harmoniously and still finding ways to catch my breath w the choreography or even just whimsical situational settings like the Arc De Triomphe traffic fight that shouldnt work but do!

ugh

amazing
so happy

donnie yen’s fight sequences in this are so great, i love the way he moves. he’s so quick, and with the cane/sword it was like he was tap dancing sometimes? lol

Just came across this amazing photo on Twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxIR9qcXsAAxemj.jpg

N.B.: the shirt is fake, but there is an argument being made that the movies represent the five stages of grief, so there's gonna have to be one more...

oh god please no

I thought part five was reported as in development just a day or two ago ...

yup. I'm just extremely anti the bad and wrong "stages of grief" framework.

Stahelski and Reeves have not changed their position on another one, regardless of what the head of Lionsgate says while promoting spin-offs

getting very weary now of people tacking coherent narratives on top of this series, it’s *supposed* to be a big dumb wishlist of cool shit they wanted to see in an action movies & stahelski really hasn’t changed his statements to that effect over the years

… overthinking it makes it so much lamer

stages of grief lol FOH

It’s coherent in that Wick’s dedication to honour, rules and revenge only create death and misery around him (leading to his choice at the end of 4) — but this is explicitly the fundamental narrative engine of the series, not a dazzling revelation found only in masters-level analysis of hidden messages

exactly

I heard there might be shooting and kicking in part 5, but at this stage I think that's just a rumor.

The five stages of kicking and shooting.

five stages of fucking your shit up

five stages of tactical fashion

five stages of gun-fu

Wait, this Finnish sort of WWII-set Wick movie came and went already?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbr-aAnKTo

Watched SISU tonight - it’s totally OTT, gory as fuck, kinda funny, definitely fun.

I thought it was pretty slight. He's basically a superhero and there isn't enough impressive fighting technique or quality spectacle to make it feel substantial. Wish I hadn't bothered.

i’ve been down a Buster Keaton rabbithole lately & read a great interview w Chad Stahelski and critic Dana Stevens (author of Keaton bio “Camera Man”) about the silent film/Keaton parallels in John Wick

https://slate.com/culture/2023/03/john-wick-4-keanu-reeves-buster-keaton.html

Some woman in the seat across from me on the airplane watched this twice in a row so, so did i. Worked without any sound obviously

the stairway scene with the falling definitely had its parallels