2020 Democratic presidential primary

There probably are GOP-ers who, in a post-Trump world, will be looking for some sort of Operation Paperclip-esque reentry into the civilized world which allows them to pooh-pooh their former hatemongering, but they'll probably be few and far between because I think they'll mostly still be sitting pretty in the mess they helped to create.

ultimately I think it was fine for Bernie to do it, but if you're not going to do it then the way Warren went about declining is absolutely the way to go, just go scorched-earth on those assholes.

how has no one on the thread mentioned the newly announced candidacy of Montana Gov. Steve Bullock???????

is his hope that this kind of rhetoric will win over former trump voters?

Why do people keep saying this? I guess as a side effect it's possible some low-information voters who chose Trump out of some vague sense Clinton was "dirty" might vote for Joe Biden. But Biden's message is aimed squarely at a totally different group -- old Democrats. He is one! That's his identity politics!

No matter who's running, old Democrats are a lot more likely to show up and vote than young Democrats. Now tactically I guess you have to ways to go from that uncontroversial fact: a) "older people are where the votes are so aim your message at them" or b) "older people are gonna show up and vote for us anyway, it's just what they do, so the margin is all in messages aimed at the young people."

yeah biden's p dumb but on this one thing he might be more otm than i'm usually willing to credit him.

not that the GOP will actually come to its senses once trump's out--that's preposterous. but i suspect this whole 'play nice and work together' bullshit polls pretty well with older democratic primary voters.

No matter who's running, old Democrats are a lot more likely to show up and vote than young Democrats.

Which will be explained/justified to a great extent by the selection of Joe Biden as the 2020 democratic nominee.

Being just as dumb as your base is a version of "otm" I'm unfamiliar with.

not much more reality-based than Yooknowwho

yeah not so much “otm” as surprisingly savvy. I’m the last to attribute either of these things to Biden the man, but if his campaign is centered on making aging Dems (who turn the fuck up for primaries) nostalgic for the relative comity they think they remember from the last half of the 20th Century, it could work out for him.

which would goddamn suck, obv

This made me laugh. (And if you don't hear it in DMX's voice by the time you get to "Felicia," I don't trust your opinions on culture.)

There was Brenda, LaTisha, Linda, Felicia, Dawn, LeShaun, Ines, and Alicia, Teresa, Monica, Sharron, Nicki
Lisa, Veronica, Karen, Vicky
Cookie, well, I met her in a ice cream parlor, Tonya, Diane, Lori, and Carla
Marina, Selena, Katrina, Sabrina
About three Kims, LaToya, and Tina https://t.co/vryJJVBTrY

— David Dennis Jr. (@DavidDTSS) May 14, 2019

Paul Heaton or GTFO

I thought it was Phiphe from Butter at first

same

Gravel teens 1, Delaney 0

Sen. Warren just finished batting around Joseph Otting, the comptroller of currency at Treasury, over policing Wells Fargo. She called his office a “low bar” for oversight.

OTTING: “I find it insulting that you would make that comment.”

WARREN: “Good.” pic.twitter.com/flzdrBa2t1

— Dan Zak (@MrDanZak) May 15, 2019

ok but this "let's green up the US military!" angle of hers fucking sucks and I'll let a HOOS take it from here on why

the short answer is that rather than retrofitting the single biggest polluter in the world we could reduce its footprint by, for example, closing some of our 800+ bases https://t.co/SBxaKU9NBg

— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) May 15, 2019

Did we cover yesterday’s big story?

More presidential candidates should have mustaches pic.twitter.com/xD9kFxFW7O

— the mustache thread guy (@dagotron) May 11, 2019

lol remember this guy

Beto is livestreaming his haircut pic.twitter.com/xAuBtC7BWe

— Joe Perticone (@JoePerticone) May 15, 2019

Next up, live-streaming his hit on Buttigieg for stealing Beto’s thunder.

Never noticed the faint resemblance to Rick Perry before.

Uh-oh, De Blasio!

lol please

At this rate they might as well make the race opt-out.

Some of these guys are doing that thing where they get so overwhelmed with their current projects, deadlines at work that instead of figuring it out they just look for another job.

afaik Bill dB ain't done much, but I'll give him this:

The police unions hate him.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwngb3/area-man-regrets-helping-turn-joe-biden-into-a-meme

Hi, Joe Biden campaigned for anti-abortion Republican Fred Upton in Michigan last year and got paid $200,000 to do it.

Upton won.https://t.co/myyFPZx50L

— Steph Is Not Having This Nonsense🌹 (@RantsByDesign) May 16, 2019

And looking forward to digging into this later

Even if you don't support a candidate (or maybe especially if you don't support them) you should make an effort to understand their appeal. No one has explained the appeal of Joe Biden better than @blauwsteen in this splendid piece. https://t.co/SGzEZCb6p0

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) May 17, 2019

I don’t need to read an article to understand the appeal of Joe Biden. I understand it here. Right here. *taps the heart area*

I don’t need to read an article to understand the appeal of Joe Biden. I understand it here. Right here. *strokes the hair area*

that was a good read.

It really is.

Does anyone really need an explainer on the appeal of Obama’s VP who’s also an old white centrist who talks about bipartisanship?

You might.

Warren rules: https://medium.com/@teamwarren/congressional-action-to-protect-choice-aaf94ed25fb5

OK wow:

Consider one remarkable detail from his memoir. He gave a eulogy at the funeral of one of the two police officers killed in New York City in 2014; the remarkable thing is not the eulogy itself but what he tells one of the widows privately. Right now everyone is there for you, he says, but eventually they’ll go back to normal, and then grief will get harder: “After a while you’re going to start to feel guilty because you’re going to be going to the same people constantly for help, or just to talk.” So he gives her his private number: “When you’re down and you feel guilty for burdening your family and friends, pick up the phone and call me.” The reader glimpses a secret society of grievers:

I have a long list of strangers who have my private number, and an invitation to call, and many of them do. “Just call me when you want to talk,” I told her. “Sometimes it’s easier to pour your heart out to somebody you don’t know well, but you know they know. You know they’ve been through it. Just pick up the phone and call me.”

from the NR story

maybe later we can go get ice cream and grieve some more 😍😍

I just googled "grief paraphilia".

bwaaa

he shd be a grief counselor, not president

very much worth a read:

My new post: The climate plan that Jay Inslee is releasing (piece by piece) is more than a campaign document, it's a detailed roadmap for US decarbonization. The next president should use it, whoever that is. https://t.co/oseMBu484S

— David Roberts (@drvox) May 18, 2019

The problem with the discussion around the GND so far is that the only substance at the center of it is a non-binding resolution, a set of aspirations and goals. People have projected all sorts of things on it, good and bad, but no one really knows what the GND is. At least in nuts-and-bolts policy terms, there isn’t on yet. So it’s easy to dismiss the whole thing as a “green dream,” as Nancy Pelosi put it.

Inslee’s campaign is systematically translating the GND’s lofty goals — to decarbonize the economy sector by sector, in a way that creates high-quality jobs and protects frontline communities — into policy proposals, focused on an immediate 10-year mobilization. This isn’t just a campaign play, it’s a document the next Democratic president is going to want in-hand when the time comes to get to work. (And if that president needs some kind of climate czar ...)

yes

also relevant for this thread,

I get that this will never happen, but if you’re Harris, or Buttigieg, or Booker, or ... what’s his name? Swalwell? ... why not just say, “Jay is this party’s climate star. I’m impressed with the thought he’s put into this plan, I support it, and if I’m elected I’ll bring him into my administration to help implement it.” Hell, all of them could say that.

I get that they want to distinguish themselves from one another, but they have other ways to do that, issues they have more personal stake and experience in. Climate is not their main thing. It’s Inslee’s main thing. Why not just embrace a good plan that’s there to be embraced?

It would be a way to get second-hand benefit from Inslee’s reputation on climate change, using it to improve the whole party’s image and expertise on the issue. Democratic voters may not care enough about climate (yet) to make Inslee the candidate, but I bet they care enough about it to appreciate seeing his agenda elevated by the other candidates.

yes again

so Mayor Pete apparently had a good night on FOX.

well they support they troops ya know!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^

https://soundcloud.com/ebruenig/the-bruenigs-interview-the-gravel-teens

lol nope