REM: Classic or dud?

i never understood what people heard in murmur. the other album besides monster i did not get all was reckoning. so dull and unsubtle.

I like how Murmur murmurs.

Hm, those early records still evoke something unique for me. You don't like "So. Central Rain"? xp

I can't imagine not liking Radio Free Europe

I am actually that strange person, an REM fan who likes the IRS records a hundred times more than Automatic but who doesn't really care for "So. Central Rain" (but for whom Radio Free Europe is a monumental classic, to be clear)

So Central Rain is great but so are Harborcoat (which won the best REM song of all time in the ILM poll, IIRC) and Rockville. The whole of Reckoning in fact.

the one that doesn’t float my boat like it should is Fables but it’s a deep catalog, everyone’s gonna have one of those.

sometimes the bassline in "So. Central Rain" and in particular those four steps b4 the verse are my favoroite thing in the catalog

"so. central rain" is probably the one song from reckoning i would save. harborcoat is ok, i kind of like the bouncing rhythm. rockville isn't bad neither. maybe i should give reckoning another chance i haven't listened to it for more than 20 years.

"Pretty Persuasion"!

first 4 tracks are v classic imo

When did 10,000 Maniacs (or maybe Natalie solo?) cover "Rockville"? Heard it on NPR Mixtape a couple weeks ago.

made me think of PAVEMENT song:

Some bands I like to name check,
And one of them is REM,
Classic songs with a long history
Southern boys just like you and me.
R - E - M
Flashback to 1983,
Chronic Town was their first EP
Later on came Reckoning
Finster's art, and titles to match:
South Central Rain, Don't Go Back To Rockville,
Harbourcoat, Pretty Persuasion,
You were born to be a camera,
Time After Time was my least favourite song,
Time After Time was my least favourite song.
The singer, he had long hair
And the drummer he knew restrait.
And the bass man he had all the right moves
And the guitar player was no saint.

xp was on the "Candy Everybody Wants" single, i think

“Letter Never Sent”!

Reckoning is the best

XP Yup. Paired w/their Morrissey cover too.

abjectly insane opinions in this revive

During one mid-’80s tour, Stipe started sporting bleach-blonde hair, inspired not by fashion trends but a condiment. According to Edwards, Stipe spotted a bowl of mustard backstage one night and said, “Doesn’t it make you want to stick your head in it?” Edwards said no, but Stipe did it anyway, emerging on stage with a new, rather pungent look. For a few weeks, Stipe wore a different kind of mustard on his head every night (“his favorite was French’s,” says Edwards) until finally taking the easier route and dyeing his hair.

classic

i remember this anecdote from the old Tony Fletcher bio

Hadn't read about the new biography. Interesting about Berry.
There's an Addicted To Noise interview online where he is pretty upfront that he felt the band had gotten too big.

Begin the Begin: R.E.M.’s Early Years is pretty amazing. Lurie did a ton of research, found and interviewed a lot of people who haven’t gone on the record before, and as far as I can tell from my own experiences 1979-83 gets all the details right. As a biography of the band, it’s definitive. In many ways it’s more informative as a history of the early Athens scene than Party Out of Bounds and Athens, GA Inside Out.

The first show at the old church, the opening scene in most R.EM. origin stories, doesn’t occur until page 73. Before that Lurie explains in detail how each of the band members arrived in Athens, along the way answering questions raised waaaaaay upthread about Stipe’s early bands in St. Louis. He’s equally methodical through 1984 or so, speeds up a bit after Reckoning, and ends the book just as they’re signing their first Warner Bros. contract in 1987.

This is a timely piece of work, not necessarily because anyone wants to read about R.E.M. in 2019 but because the people who can tell this story won’t be around forever. (I might as well add this here: Jeff Walls, of Guadalcanal Diary and the Woggles, one of Lurie’s interviewees, is in critical condition and needs help: https://www.gofundme.com/jeff-walls-medical-fund.)

That sounds great, I definitely want to read it.

Yeah, I'm not a big R.E.M. fan at all, but if it comes anywhere near Party Out of Bounds I'll definitely check it out. Love that book so much.

there's an entertaining discussion of the theory that the name of the band might come from Ralph Eugene Meatyard, whose photography Stipe studied and whose aesthetic is suggestive of r.e.magery

Yeah, I can't wait to read this, although my ideal R.E.M. book would be where the band go through each song from beginning to end and detail inspirations, who wrote what, studio experiences, what some of the more cryptic lyrics mean etc.

This band meant so much to me that I've been reluctant to pick up any books about them but I totally recommend the Lurie book. It took me back to times related to the band (discovered them between Reckoning and Fables) and not (the description of Athens circa ~1980 reminded me of early 90s Champaign). Didn't much appreciate his theorizing on the meaning of songs on/after Fables, but so much of the book is lovingly researched and thoughtful. I was kind of sad to finish it.

Begin the Begin: R.E.M.’s Early Years is pretty amazing. Lurie did a ton of research, found and interviewed a lot of people who haven’t gone on the record before, and as far as I can tell from my own experiences 1979-83 gets all the details right. As a biography of the band, it’s definitive. In many ways it’s more informative as a history of the early Athens scene than Party Out of Bounds and Athens, GA Inside Out.

I'm reading Begin the Begin and wholly enjoying it so far. I'm at the part where R.E.M. have opened for XTC and signed with I.R.S. instead of RCA. It's acronym pandemonium.

R.E.M. and XTC played at the B&L iirc

https://flagpole.com/music/music-features/2018/04/18/random-athens-memories-remember-when-xtc-and-r-e-m-shared-a-bill

Gonna have to read that book. I'm always intrigued to learn more about all the early '80s Athens stuff that I was living right in the midst of and had no idea was happening because I was four.

the drinking age in Georgia was 18 then so you could probably have gotten into the clubs with a fake ID

can't believe four-year-old lunch was such a square smdh

Always meant to ask my parents for physical descriptions of my babysitters on the offchance that maybe like Fred Schneider wound up reading me bedtime stories at some point.

That book was a lot of fun to read. Really got me thinking about how much my fandom of the band affected me during some big life changes/memories. It's a pretty well written music book and my copy is already lent out.

maybe like Fred Schneider wound up reading me bedtime stories at some point.

"Goodnight mouse, and Good-NIGHT-HOUUUSE!! Goodnight, KITTENS! Goodnight, MITTENS!"

irl lol

REM releases an unreleased track, Peter Buck and Mike Mills have stayed musically active (and have of course legally agreed to play Adam Scott's backyard, reunion permitting), Billy Berry has been making the odd public appearance playing music again ... I bet these dudes won't be able to stay away from getting back together for much longer.

but there are so many more old albums to remix in surround sound!

Got to agree with you. It is the funniest breakup/retirement going.

I mean, it's not uncommon for individual band members to stay musically active after a band breaks up(?)

Well, Bill was the most "retired" of the batch. The fact that he is active at all musically is the most promising development. Also, the fact that when Mills and Buck were asked, however jokingly, to reunite to play a BBQ, neither said "that's not going to happen, ever," which is something you'd hear from a lot of bands, especially this close to the original breakup. Don't know what Stipe is up to, exactly, but consider that virtually no band with all living members has stayed broken up besides the Smiths and CCR, plus the prospect of $$$, and ...

They should do an IRS years tour or classic album tour. I'd actually consider going to see something like that.

Cocteau Twins, there's another one whose whole line-up is alive that hasn't reunited. They came close, but no cigar.

the whole band being based around a couple who separate acrimoniously aspect is important there, i feel.

REM reunion I'm very ambivalent about because i think it would be kind of lame and there is a bunch of REM material i have no interest in but i would probably buy a ticket if they came to town and it wasn't too exorbitant

i might be wrong, but it feels like the world needs a stipe solo record with an allstar cast of producer and / or helping hands.

no former bandmates allowed, though.

I'd love to see them play in a chill small venue but not in an arena again (even though KC stadium in a monsoon was actually great :I'll Take The Rain followed by Have You Ever Seen The Rain)

I think Bill's only recent shows have been local fundraising events, I can't imagine him wanting to leave the farm for a reunion tour

For sure.

the whole band being based around a couple who separate acrimoniously aspect is important there, i feel.

But hey, Stereolab just reunited, I never expected that!

FWIW, Stipey's been doing solo stuff too: https://www.stereogum.com/2042301/michael-stipe-new-solo-song-your-capricious-soul/video/

I could see them all coming together for a special occasion but I don't anticipate these guys are going to do another world tour.

I would like to see a Mike Mills solo album, maybe with involvement from Berry. Don't care if there's a tour or not - Bill can stay on the farm! But I'd like to hear what a Mike Mills album sounds like.

you know after reading the Lurie book and reading about Stipe's side projects in the early days, that's the one I would want to hear.

I miss them. In the minority and I've said it a million times, but I think they were always really good. They had a very rich musical background and, at their best, were able to create a very American kind of music in a way that I don't really see happening again.